There's clearly nothing to UFO's (sarcasm)

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This Glenn Dennis guy is simply saying he received a call for child size caskets,
he doesn't know what the fuck they were.
The people the most obsessed with space aliens are skeptics.

 

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Sgt. Frederick Benthal testified that he was an Army Air Force photographer, then 26 years old, flown into Roswell from Anacostia Naval Air Station,Washington D.C., possibly on July 7. The following morning he was taken out to a crash site about an hour and a half north of town. There he photographed several alien bodies enclosed in a field tent and saw crash debris being hauled away in trucks. He first publicly appeared in the 1994 book Crash at Corona by Stanton Friedman and Don Berliner. However, then he was only identified as "F.B." In the 2007 book Witness to Roswell by Tom Carey and Donald Schmitt, his name is given in full.

Benthal's story may have some corroboration from a Roswell MP named Ed Sain, who said he was taken out to the crash site north of town in an ambulance and guarded the bodies in the tent before they were transported to the base. Deadly force was authorized to keep people out. Sain also mentioned fellow MP Cpl. Raymond Van Why being with him. Van Why was dead, but his widow Leola confirmed that her husband told her in 1954 about guarding the crashed spaceship site.

One witness who mentioned photographers associated with Roswell was retired Brigadier General Arthur Exon (testimony), Wright-Patterson AFB commanding officer, who said Roswell was the crash of a craft from space and that he had been informed about the bodies by people who were involved. He also knew some of the photographers who had been involved, but unfortunately didn't provide any names.

An interesting recent development to Benthal's story concerns his statement that he was told he might run into General Curtis LeMay at Roswell. In 2007 (as reported by journalist Billy Cox in the Sarasota Florida Herald-Tribune 5/29/07), veteran USAF pilot Ben Games told a UFO group that he had flown Lt. Gen. Laurence C. Craigie to Roswell from Wright Field. At the time, Craigie was chief of the Research and Engineering Division at Headquarters Army Air Force. Games said Craigie had been sent to investigate the crash on the orders of Gen. LeMay. Craigie was there for a few hours before returning. If true, then LeMay dispatched Craigie in his stead. On July 7, acting AAF Chief of Staff Hoyt Vandenberg's log and calendar show that he was being briefed on the flying saucer situation by LeMay, and on the morning of July 8 was briefed just before a suddenly called meeting of the Joint Research and Development Board at the Pentagon, of which Craigie was a member. The JRDB, in turn, has been linked by Canadian documents to a supersecret UFO study group heading up the investigation into the saucers.

Two versions of Benthal's story are given below. The first extensively quoting him from Crash at Corona, followed by the more paraphrased version from Witness to Roswell, said to be based on his affidavit, that he filled out in 1993. According to the Crash at Corona account, Benthal was first interviewed by Stanton Friedman in November 1990 following "months of negotiation."

F.B was an Army Air Forces photographer stationed at Anacostia Naval Air Station, Washington, D.C., when he and fellow photographer A. K. [Cpl. Al Kirkpatrick] were hustled aboard an army B-25 bomber and flown to Roswell Army Air Field sometime during the second week of July 1947. He told Friedman:

"One morning they came in and they said, "Pack our bags and we'll have the camera there, ready for you." We didn't know where we was goin'. [His 4x5 Speed Graphic press camera was on the plane, and after a few ours' flight, they arrived at Roswell.] We got in a staff car with some of the gear they had brought along with us in trucks, and we headed out...about an hour and a half...we was headin' north.

"We got there and there was a helluva lot of people out there, in a closed tent. You couldn't hardly see anything inside the tent. They said, 'Set your camera up to take a picture fifteen feet away.' A. K. [Kirkpatrick] got in a truck and headed out to where they was pickin' up pieces [debris field]. All kinds of brass runnin' around. And they was tellin' us what to do: Shoot this, shoot that! There was an officer in charge. He met us out there and he'd go into the tent...stand there right besides us and [say], 'OK, take this picture!'

"There were four bodies I could see when the flash went off, but you was almost blind because it was a beautiful day...sunny. You'd go in this tent, which was awful dark. That's all I was takin': bodies. These bodies was under a canvas, and they'd open it up and you'd take a picture, flip out your flashbulb, put another one in [take another picture] and give him the film holder (each holder held two sheets of four-by-five inch cut film) and then you went to the next spot.

"I guess there was ten to twelve officers, and when I got ready to go in, they'd all come out. The tent was about 20 by 30 foot. The bodies looked like they was lyin' on a tarp. One guy did all the instructions. He'd take a flashlight and he'd come down there: 'See this flashlight!' Yes, sir! 'You're in focus with it?' Yes, sir! 'Take a picture of this.' He'd take the flashlight away. We just moved around in a circle, takin' pictures. Seemed to me [the bodies] were all just about identical. Dark complected. I remember they was thin, and it looked like they had too big of a head. I took thirty shots...I think I had about fifteen [film] holders. It smelled funny in there.

"A.K. came back in a truck that was loaded down with debris. A lot of pieces stick' out that wasn't there when they too off. We got debriefed on the way back to the airport [Roswell Army Air Field]. About four the next morning, they woke us, they took us to the mess hall, we ate, we got back on the B-25 and headed back. When we got back to Anacostia we got debriefed some more, by a lieutenant commander." [It was made clear to both F.B. and his friend A. K. that whatever they thought they saw in New Mexico, they hadn't seen.]


Witness to Roswell (2007)

...26-year old Sgt. Frederick Benthal was serving in the Army Air Forces as a photographic specialist at the Anacostia Naval Air Station in Washington, D.C. In 1946 he had helped set up the photographic equipment for Operation Crossroads [two Bikini A-bomb tests] in the Pacific...

...after reporting to work one morning in early July of 1947 with a friend, Cpl. Al Kirkpatrick, they were told to pack their bags for a flight to Roswell, N. M. They flew in a B-25...bomber, leaving around 10 a.m., and made one stop along the way, during which they were told not to leave the plane. On the flight, the two men studied the dossiers of persons who might be expected to be at their destination. These individuals included J. Robert Oppenheimer of Los Alamos ("Father of the Atomic Bomb") and Gen. Curtis LeMay... future head of the Strategic Air Command. [LeMay was also a future USAF Chief of Staff. In July 1947, LeMay was heading Army Air Force research and development at the Pentagon and advising acting AAF Chief of Staff Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg on July 7 & July 8 on the ongoing flying saucer situation, according to Vandenberg's logs.]

The plane landed in Roswell around 5 p.m. ....The following morning, Benthal and Kirkpatrick were picked up by a covered military truck and headed north of town. During the trip, both men changed into rubberized suits that were very hot, but apparently offered some kind of protection--protection against what they did not know.

When they arrived at the site, Benthal saw several tents that had been set up near a small bluff, and what appeared to be a refrigerator truck. He also witnessed covered trucks leaving the site that were obviously carrying wreckage of some sort. He could see thin strips of wreckage sticking out the backs of the trucks as they departed. Other empty trucks continued to arrive at the site. Benthal witnessed a lot of enlisted men going back and forth in various directions, as well as two majors whose names he did not know,

...Kirkpatrick was ordered into one of the empty trucks that headed out to another location (the Brazel debris field site), while Benthal was taken to a nearby tent and told to stand by. An officer then came out of the tend and told Benthal, "Get your camera ready!" Then the officer looked into the tent and made a loud comment that someone was coming in, whereupon a number of officers then exited the rear of the tent. Once inside, the officer told Benthal to stand back, and then pulled back a tarp that was on the floor of the tent, revealing several little bodies lying on a rubber sheet. Benthal and the officer slowly but purposefully moved around in a circle with Benthal taking pictures of the bodies lying in death beneath them.

"The [the bodies] were all just about identical, with dark complexions, thin and with large heads. ...There was a strange smell inside the tent that smelled something like formaldehyde."

Benthal was shooting his pictures with a standard-issue Speed Graphic camera that had a holder, each with two shots. Although it was daylight outside, it was dark inside the closed, rubber-lined tent. Because it was so dark inside the tent, the flash bulbs gave off a blinding light when a picture was snapped. After taking each set of two pictures, Benthal would give the holder to the officer. This procedure was repeated many times as the two men circled the bodies.

The entire session lasted about two hours, after which Benthal was told to leave. About that time, Kirkpatrick returned from the other site in a truck that Benthal could see was loaded down with wreckage. Benthal and Kirkpatrick were dismissed from the site and returned to the base in Roswell. They were debriefed on the ride back to the base and told not to talk to anyone.

"My camera case, cameras, and all of the film had been confiscated before we left the site. [Back at the base] The men were awakened around 4 a.m. the next morning... After breakfast, they boarded the B-25 and headed back to Washington. When they got back to Anacostia, they were again debriefed, this time by a Marine officer--lieutenant colonel--by the name of Bibbey, who asked them if they knew what they had photographed. Benthal and Kirkpatrick both responded, "Yes, Sir." to which Lt. Col. Bibbey instructed them that they did not know what they had photographed. Then [he] asked them the question again.

Recalling the episode in 1993, Benthal observed, "Not long after that, I was assigned to Antarctica to take pictures of pieces of equipment to study the effects of cold."

 

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Alien body eyewitness Eli Benjamin was in the 2007 Witness to Roswell by Tom Carey and Don Schmitt, though first introduced in November 2006 on (Sci Fi Investigates--Roswell --at YouTube). According to Carey and Schmitt, Benjamin and his wife visited the International UFO Museum in Roswell in 2002. Against her husband's wishes, Mrs. Benjamin spoke to museum director Julie Shuster (also daughter of 1947 base public information officer Walter Haut, who put out press release of a captured flying saucer, and who also said he saw alien bodies), saying that her husband had seen the bodies at the base hospital (a story he first told her in 1949 when they were married). Benjamin, however, refused to tell his story until 2005, and according to Carey and Schmitt, was very emotional about it, several times breaking down in tears. His wife said he still had nightmares about the events.

Benjamin is pictured in the 1947 base yearbook, providing support to his story that he was there at the time, but the name is a pseudonym. His name was kept anonymous at his request, and a number of researchers kept it so, including myself, even though we knew his true name. "Benjamin" indicated he was made to sign a nondisclosure statement in 1947 and was fearful of government reprisal for going public, particularly losing his pension.

Nevertheless, Benjamin briefly appeared in two more documentaries in early 2015, one about Roswell in general ("UFOs Declassified", S01E05, "UFO Crash Sites"--see 10:29 into video), which, among things, shows his yearbook photo enabling easy identification. The other was a short teaser in Feb. 2015 about the so-called "Roswell slides," supposedly depicting an alien body ("Kodachrome" by SlideBoxMedia--see 2:39 into video). Here he states upon viewing a slide, that the being, or whatever, closely resembled what he saw back in 1947.
"I got myself ready, got my gun, and reported to the big hangar, as ordered... While looking at my OIC [officer in charge] to get instructions for duties at the hangar, I came upon a commotion at the main entrance to the hangar. Some MPS were trying to subdue an out-of-control officer, who among other things, appeared to be drunk as a skunk. I found out later that the officer in question was from my squadron and was the very officer--whose name I cannot now recall--was to have overseen the transfer of several 'Top Secret items' from the big hangar to the base hospital, and I was there to help escort the transfer. I was told later that he had been to the crash site and had seen the ship. When this officer reported to the hangar and saw the small bodies, it was apparently too much for him to handle, and he just lost it.

"... a Major or Lt. Colonel came out of the hangar, looked over the situation, and pointed at me. 'You! come over here,' he said. 'You're now in charge of this detail. Get these over to the base hospital!' He then pointed to three or four gurneys inside the hangar, each of which had something on it that was covered by a sheet. On one of the gurneys, whatever was under the sheet appeared to be moving. I...instructed the rest of the men in the detail to load the gurneys with their payload into the back of a truck that had just arrived for the purpose. ...As the men were loading the truck, one of the gurneys slipped during the handoff, and the sheet covering fell away, revealing the grayish face and swollen, hairless head of a species that I realized was not human.

"My orders were to deliver these to the base hospital's emergency room and remain there until relieved. Upon arriving at the emergency room ramp, we proceeded to unload. I went in with the first gurney and stood aside near the doorway as the medical people took control of the gurney. A half-dozen or so medical and nonmedical officers quickly removed the covering sheet. I couldn't see too well from where I was standing because of the number of officers gathered around the gurney, but I could see well enough to make out that a very small person with an egg-shaped head that was oversized for its body was lying on the gurney. The only facial features that stick out in my mind now are that it had slanted eyes, two holes where its nose should have been, and a small slit where its mouth should have been. I think it was alive. The medical people were mostly just staring at it...

"After the rest of the gurneys were brought into the room, I was dismissed and told to return to my squadron, which I did. There, I was debriefed and made to sign a nondisclosure statement regarding what had just taken place. I was told that if I ever spoke out about it, something bad would happen, not only to me, but also to my family. I heard later that the one species that was still alive was apparently taken to Alamogordo, then shipped to Texas or Ohio.

 

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Brig. Gen. Arthur E. Exon
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Gen. Exon has been the highest ranking military officer to come out and say directly that Roswell was the crash of a spacecraft and that alien bodies were recovered. (Click here for Exon's biography on the Air Force biographical Web site of their generals.)

Exon was another inconvenient, high-ranking witness, like Brig. Gen. Thomas Dubose, that Air Force debunkers wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole. Even though his statements on Roswell had been published before the Air Force began its investigation in 1994, Exon was never interviewed and completely ignored by AF investigators. By the time some Congressional staffers interviewed Exon in December 1994, one of them reported he had become paranoid and extremely guarded in his comments, thinking his house might now be bugged.

In 1947 Exon was a Lt.-Colonel stationed at Wright Field at the time of the Roswell crash and heard of the incident at that time. He said he also flew over the area of the crash some months later. He observed two distinct crash sites and gouges and tire tracks on the ground leading into the "pivotal areas."

From 1964-66 he was the Commanding Officer of Wright-Patterson AFB, where crash material was taken in 1947. He said other UFO-related field operations were staged at W-P during his tenure. Teams of men would fly in from Washington on an investigation. W-P would supply them with planes and crews for their operations

From 1955 to 1960, he was a colonel stationed at the Pentagon. He said he was aware of a UFO controlling committee made up primarily of very high-ranking military officers and intelligence people. His nickname for this group was "The Unholy Thirteen".

Exon's knowledge of the Roswell events was primarily second-hand. Except for his later fly-over the crash area and the later operations out of W-P when he was C/O, Exon disclaimed direct knowledge. He said he never saw the actual Roswell crash material, but was told the result of testing by other personnel involved. Likewise for the recovery and shipment of bodies. However, Exon did emphasize that he was told these things by men who were directly involved and whom he knew well and trusted. He mentioned knowing some of the photographers who photographed the sites.

How the Roswell crash would have been handled and how it would have been covered up seems to be largely speculative, based on his knowledge of how the government and military chain of command would have functioned under the circumstances. And seemingly he knew only indirectly of the UFO control group while he was at the Pentagon.

Sources of the following material

R&S: UFO Crash at Roswell, 1991 & The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell, 1994, by Kevin Randle & Donald Schmitt (Based on phone and personal interviews from July 1989 - July 1990)

RUCU: Roswell UFO Crash Update; Kevin Randle, 1995; transcript of interview, June 18, 1990

TS/M: Top Secret Majic, Stanton Friedman, 1996; (based on interviews 1989 - 1991) New!

C&S: Witness to Roswell, 2007, by Tom Carey & Donald Schmitt New! 2007

Breakthrough: Breathrough-- The Next Step; Whitley Strieber, 1995

Confirmation: Confirmation--The Hard Evidence of Aliens Among Us; Whitley Strieber, 1998

Sandow: New! Greg Sandow's UFO Updates post with additional quotes from Randle/Schmitt interviews with Exon.


What Roswell Was

(RUCU) (C&S, p. 191, 194)
"...They knew they had something new in their hands. The metal and material was unknown to anyone I talked to. Whatever they found, I never heard what the results were. A couple of guys thought it might be Russian, but the overall consensus was that the pieces were from space. Everyone from the White House on down knew that what we had found was not of this world within 24 hours of our finding it. ...Roswell was the recovery of a craft from space."

(Confirmation, p. 250)
Among the things that Exon was very specific about was that everybody "from Truman on down" had known about the Roswell incident from the day it happened, and that it was known to be an alien spacecraft "almost as soon as we got on the scene."

(Breakthrough, p. 275-276)
When I originally spoke with General Exon [in 1991] after being introduced to him by my uncle, he was quite straightforward about the fact that he felt that the Roswell debris was extraterrestrial and that the issues it raised had been debated in the White House. In interviews for public attribution that he agreed to later [in 1994], he was much more guarded.

(Whitley Strieber commentary on ABC UFO special, Feb. 25, 2005, quoting Exon http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=177)
“Everyone from the White House on down knew that what we had found was not of this world within 24 hours of our finding it.”

[Note: Strieber's "uncle" was Col. Edward Strieber, who had spent much of his career at Wright-Patterson AFB. Strieber then wrote (Breakthrough), "My uncle informed me that he had knowledge of the Majestic project. He spoke of the delivery of alien materials, artifacts, and biological remains to Wright Field from the Roswell Army Air Base in the summer of 1947. He felt sure that the existence of these materials and what to do about them had been debated at the highest levels of the government. ...In 1991, after I had written Majestic, my uncle put me into contact with a general -- an old and trusted friend of his -- who knew even more. The general, Arthur Exon, is the cousin of Senator Exon..."]


Anomalous Roswell Debris

(R&S)
"We heard the material was coming to Wright Field. [Testing was done in the various labs.] Everything from chemical analysis, stress tests, compression tests, flexing. It was brought into our material evaluation labs. I don't know how it arrived, but the boys who tested it said it was very unusual."

(R&S) (C&S, p. 194)
"[Some of it] could be easily ripped or changed... There were other parts of it that were very thin but awfully strong and couldn't be dented with heavy hammers... It was flexible to a degree... Some of it was flimsy and was tougher than hell, and the other was almost like foil but strong. It had them pretty puzzled.

(RUCU)
"...couldn't be easily ripped or changed ...you could change it. You could wad it up, you could change the shape, but it was still there and ... there were other parts of it that were very thin but awfully strong and couldn't be dented with heavy hammers and stuff like that... which at the time were causing some people some concern... again, say it was a shape of some kind, you could grab this end and bend it, but it would come right back. It was flexible to a degree."

"I think the full range of testing was possible. Everything from chemical analysis, and resist chemicals, stress tests, compression tests, flexing...

(RUCU) (C&S, p. 194)
I don't know, at that time, if it was titanium or some other metal... or if it was something they knew about and the processing was something different."


Bodies

(Sandow) (C&S, p. 194)
[Exon spontaneously bringing up Roswell crash after being asked about rumors of little bodies at Wright-Patterson] "Yes, I have. In fact, I know people that were involved in photographing some of the residue from the New Mexico affair near Roswell."

[Whether bodies were flown to Wright Field] "That's my information...people I have known were involved with that."


(R&S) (C&S, p. 194)
"There was another location where ... apparently the main body of the spacecraft was ... where they did say there were bodies ...

(R&S)
They were all found, apparently, outside the craft itself but were in fairly good condition. In other words, they weren't broken up a lot"

"That's my information [that the bodies went to Wright Field]. But one of them went to the mortuary outfit ... I think at that time it was in Denver. But the strongest information was that they were brought to Wright-Pat."


The Crash Sites

(R&S)
"[It was] probably part of the same accident, but [there were] two distinct sites. One assuming that the thing, as I understand it, as I remember flying the area later, that the damage to the vehicle seemed to be coming from the southeast to the northwest, but it could have been going in the opposite direction, but it doesn't seem likely. So the farther northwest pieces found on the ranch, those pieces were mostly metal.

"...I remember auto tracks leading to the pivotal sites and obvious gouges in the terrain."

(C&S, p. 194)
"[It was] probably part of the same accident, but [there were] two distinct sites. ...[At] the northernmost [site], pieces found on the ranch, those pieces were mostly metal."

"Yes, I have. In fact, I know people that were involved in photographing some of the residue from the New Mexico affair near Roswell. There was another location where....apparently the main body of the spacecraft was...where they did say there were bodies."

(R&S) (C&S)
"...I remember auto tracks leading to the pivotal sites and obvious gouges in the terrain."


Covering It Up

(Sandow)
[There was] "...a national coverup project."

(R&S)
Exon also knew something of the cover-up, especially the one originated at Roswell. Because he knew Blanchard [Roswell C/O], he said, "Blanchard's leave was a screen. It was his duty to go to the site and make a determination."

Concerning the cover-up, Exon pointed out that there were no secret balloon or weather devices that could account for the debris. The lab men and officers at Wright Field, because it was their job, would have known if the debris fit into those categories. The balloon explanation was ready-made. "Blanchard could have cared less about a weather balloon," said Exon.

"I know that at the time the sightings happened, it was to General Ramey ... and he, along with the people at Roswell, decided to change the story while they got their act together and got the information into the Pentagon and into the president."

According to Exon, the instant they understood the nature of the find, Ramey would have alerted the chief of staff, Dwight Eisenhower. Once they had the information in Washington, control of the operation would have come from the Pentagon. The men at Roswell would have been tasked with the clean-up because they were there, on site, but the responsibility for the clean-up would have moved up the chain of command and into the Pentagon and the White House..

According to Exon, the outgrowth of this was a top secret committee to study the phenomenon and the debris found at Roswell. An oversight committee was formed; its responsibility would be to protect the data, to control access to it, and to design studies to exploit it; a small group with control, a secondary group made up of aides, assistants, and staff from the first group, and then a third level where actual testing was done.

...Exon was sure that the material, at least some of it, would still be housed at Wright-Patterson. There would be reports, probably filed in the Foreign Technology Building, that would describe everything learned in the last forty-plus years. There would be photographs, from the debris filed and the crash site, of the bodies and of the autopsies, filed away. Everything needed to prove that Roswell represented the crash of an extraterrestrial spacecraft would be found, if those reports were ever to be released.

(C&S, p. 195)
[Concerning newspaper reports of Roswell base commander Col. William Blanchard being away on leave when the story broke in the 1947 newspapers]
"Blanchard's leave was a screen. It was his duty to go to the site and make a determination. Blanchard couldn't have cared less about a weather balloon."

"I know that at the time the sightings happened, it was [up] to Gen. Ramey...and he, along with the people at Roswell, decided to change the story while they got their act together and got the information into the Pentagon and into the president."


UFO Control Group -- "The Unholy Thirteen", "MJ-12"

(R&S)
[Note that some of the following names of those allegedly involved are obviously speculative]

...the most surprising revelation was the acknowledgement of an official group that controlled access to the wreckage, bodies, and information about the crash. He referred to them as the Unholy Thirteen, only because he didn't know the actual name of the group. (And, after studying what he said, it seems that the name, Majestic Twelve, does not fit. Majestic Twelve, or MJ-12, was allegedly the group created to study the Roswell material, according to a briefing document released in the late 1980s. There is no evidence that the document is authentic.)

According to Exon, once the nature of the crash at Roswell was understood, the information would have been passed up the chain of command. Ramey probably called the Army Chief of Staff, Dwight Eisenhower.

The General identified others on the committee, men who held high positions in the government. Carl Spaatz, the head of the Army Air force in July, 1947, who became the first Chief of Staff of the Air force in September, 1947, was mentioned as a committee member.

Exon named several others, including James Forrestal in his role as Secretary of War (later Defense), Stuart Symington, at that time the Under Secretary of War for Air, and President Truman. Given the nature of the crash and the preliminary conclusions being drawn, the president had to be included.

..."I just know there was a top intelligence echelon represented and the President's office was represented and the Secretary of Defense's office was represented and these people stayed on it in key positions even though they might have moved out."

One thing that Exon made clear was that no elected officials, outside the President, were ever included as a member of the top echelon. Elected officials were excluded from knowing anything about it.

...Additional names were not supplied for the remaining members, but he knew which offices were represented. These included the head of the CIA in the fall of 1947, Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter. Exon said there were representatives of the military intelligence community. Nathan F. Twining, as the head of the Air Materiel Command, would be another obvious choice.

There were other men who may have had a major role. Brigadier General Roger Ramey eventually left the Eighth Air Force, moving to Washington and duties in the Pentagon. In 1952, Major General Roger Ramey, Deputy Chief (of Staff) for Operations, was involved in UFO research. [See section on
Ramey and UFOs, including Ramey being called the AF "saucer man" in 1952.] Ramey's inclusion would have been natural. He was involved almost from the beginning, had managed to bury the story with the balloon explanation, and the bodies did transit Fort Worth Army Air Field. [See section on the unusual B29 flight with large crate. See also Ramey's telegram message of shipping the "aviators in the disc" to the 8th AAF flight surgeon.]

Major General John Samford, the Chief of Air Intelligence, might not have been an original member of the team, but by 1952 may have held one of the second echelon seats.

(RUCU)
"... Stuart Symington, who was Secretary of Defense [actually Sec. of the Air Force], Carl Spaatz [A.F. Chief of Staff until 1948] ...all these guys at the top of government. They were the ones who knew the most about Roswell, New Mexico. They were involved in what to do about the residue from that -- those two findings" [two distinct crash sites].

"In the '55 time period [when Exon was at the Pentagon], there was also the story that whatever happened, whatever was found at Roswell was still closely held and probably would be held until these fellows I mentioned had died so they wouldn't be embarrassed or they wouldn't have to explain why they covered it up. ...until the original thirteen died off and I don't think anyone is going to release anything [until] the last one's gone."

(Breakthrough, p. 249)
In 1991, after I had written Majestic, my uncle put me into contact with a general -- an old and trusted friend of his -- who knew even more. This general, Arthur Exon, is the cousin of Senator Exon, who himself has been interested over the years in UFO-related subjects. The general appeared to me to have more knowledge of the debates my uncle had referred to, and seemed to think that President Truman, Secretary Forestall, and others had been involved.

(TS/M) [Added Nov. 1, 2002]
(pp. 128-130) ...In the summer of 1991, Randle and Schmitt were claiming that Exon knew there was a control group (which they called the "Unholy 13") for Roswell, knew who the members of that group were, and had direct firsthand involvement with the crashed saucer. They claimed that Exon told them the members of the control group included Stewart Symington, then Secretary of the Air Force; Carl Spaatz, first chief of staff of the Air Force; General Eisenhower, then Army chief of staff; General Ramey, head of the 8th Air Force; and others. None of the people they mentioned were on the MJ-12 briefing list.

[After a MUFON conference in July 1991] ...I wrote a generally negative review of the [Randle/Schmitt] book for the MUFON Journal... published in the September 1991 issue... When I finished the review, I decided to give General Exon a call. ..He had not seen Randle and Schmitt's book, and so I read him portions of his supposed testimony from the volume. He politely but firmly indicated that Randle and Schmitt had attributed considerably more to him than he had said. He had no firsthand involvement with Roswell, although he had heard lots of scuttlebutt from people he trusted. He had been at Wright Field in July 1947, when the Roswell wreckage had been brought there. He had heard stories while he was base commander (not even as commander did he have a need-to-know for all activities there) and also during a stint at the Pentagon.

(p. 41) ...I interviewed General Arthur E. Exon, commander of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in the mid-1960s. He had heard a lot of scuttlebutt about crashed saucers and aliens while stationed at Wright Field in 1947, as commander of the base in 1964 and 1965, and later while on assignment at the Pentagon. I met with him and we had several telephone conversations. He could find no reason to quarrel with the three primary MJ-12 documents or the list of original members. [as opposed to an "Unholy 13" UFO control group attributed to him by Randle & Schmitt]


Other recoveries or UFO investigations by Special Teams from Washington Centered out of Wright-Patterson

(RUCU)
"...We would make an airplane available [at Wright-Patterson AFB] ... T-39s, twin jets, and lots of times we sent a 240, Convair 240 with a crew, and they would go and these guys would do their business and they'd sit [at] an air base someplace and cool it until the guys came back. They'd come back, drop them off, and go about their business. [The teams] would be eight and sometimes it would be fifteen. ...They would come from Washington, D.C."

"And they'd ask for an airplane tomorrow morning and that would give the guys a chance to get there by commercial airline, to meet them. The airplane would take off at such and such a time. Sometimes they'd be gone for three days and sometimes they'd be gone for a week. I know they went out to Montana and Wyoming and the northwest states a number of times in a year and a half that I recall. There probably were other places. They went to Arizona once or twice."

"... Our contact was a man, a telephone number. He'd call and he'd set the airplanes up. I just knew there was an investigative team. There probably was a name but I ...don't recall that there was."


Exon Intimidated?

(Breakthrough (p. 275)
[Interview, Dec. 2, 1994, with a high-level, unidentified Congressional staffer looking into the UFO question and Roswell. Exon had held discussions with a few cleared Congressional staff members during the Congressional Roswell investigation by the General Accounting Office in 1994-95.]

[Staffer] "General Exon is afraid. He was afraid he was being monitored at that point. He was probably afraid his whole house was bugged."

[Strieber] When I originally spoke with General Exon [in 1991] after being introduced to him by my uncle, he was quite straightforward about the fact that he felt that the Roswell debris was extraterrestrial and that the issues it raised had been debated in the White House. In interviews for public attribution that he agreed to later, he was much more guarded.

(C&S, p. 195)
Because of how publicly outspoken Exon, a high-ranking officer, was about the incident, we anticipated the reaction in Washington. During the GAO investigation of Roswell in 1994-95, Exon was interviewed by a number of high-level congressional staff members. One of the discussions took place at his home on December 2, 1994. Exon was extremely guarded in these talks, and one of the staff members entered into his report, "Gen. Exon is afraid. He was afraid he was being monitored at that point. He was probably afraid his whole house was bugged."


Exon Disclaimers of Direct Knowledge

(Sandow)
"Most of the people you're talking to are a little bit like me. Close enough to know that there was something happening. They had no direct responsibility for any of it."

(RUCU -- Letter to Kevin Randle, Nov. 24, 1991)
"I'm sorry that a portion of my interview has given you trouble. I will acknowledge that the quick quote does have me saying that my flights later, much later verified the direction of possible flight of the object. I remember auto tracks leading to pivotal sites and obvious gouges in terrain.

"Further, you both likely recall on many occasions during my visits with you in person and on the phone when you wanted me to meet others that I did not know anything first hand. Although I believe you did quote me accurately, I do believe that in your writings you gave more credence and impression of personal & direct knowledge than my recordings would indicate on their own! I felt that throughout the portions where my name was used the quotes were O.K. but authoritative emphasis was yours. I want to say that so far your use of my name and discussions have not given me any problem. So let's leave it at that. I did enjoy your and Donald's efforts in digging into who knows what!

"I'm returning the copy of your book. I'll be glad to pay for it but would appreciate it being

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

GENERAL RAMEY'S CHIEF OF STAFF, IN 1947:

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

Pretty high ranking people.
Most UFO shows and skeptics tell you that only
low ranking people saw the wreckage and bodies.
BS.

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

The quantity is overwhelming here.
To say they all just wanted a quick thrill or a buck is absurd.
Most of their stories aren't even that fantastical they just saw some strange things.

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

Gizmo said we "know" it was not a missile after I sent a link to
the actual Roswell broadcast, ORIGINAL nothing from Friedman or 30 years later stating it was both a missile AND a disc.
Then it was a spaceship then it was a balloon.
Either the ship shapeshifts or the government was doing LSD.

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

The Gulf of Tonkin incident wasn't declassified for far longer than it took for people to come forward
about Roswell. People don't believe Roswell because a lot of theories involve "space aliens"
and that sounds so cartoony people can't cope.

 

[OakFieldAlienz444]

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