Re: Earth Battery Experiment
Hi numbersix,
I like the association with the Prisoner. It is truer than you think!
Since my post asking details I have searched the web quite a bit and it is amazing what you can turn up in a couple of days!
First in my searches is that the Americans used earth batteries for the telegraph. Leading on from that there is the postulation that earth cells could possibly short out due to ground conditions not giving the voltage you expect.
It was also noticed that there was a potential difference...(voltage difference) between different telegraph stations and that this could be used.....they called these differences telluric currents.
There was no indication of what voltage or currents that were obtained.
Second is that I have read or heard of Nikola Telsa, the person who virtually single handedly invented the power generation and supply system that we now use.....from what I have read he was a genius born before his time and it is only now that people are looking into his more abstract ideas.
This is a possibility of where the earth battery stems from. He had the idea of using the earth as one part of the conductor to transmit electrical power from one place to another...the other being not quite radio frequency waves...as he called it non Hertzian waves. From what I have read it certainly seems to be practical proposition.
He used a Telsa coil to make an electric current resonate in the earth...in the 1900 hundreds....he was laughed at for this idea but it has now being proved that he is correct about the earth resonating at certain frequencies.....hence possibly part of the idea of an earth battery. I feel that this may be part of the reason for some articles I have read for really high voltages to be produced. Again it is only by experimantation and observation that this will be proved to be so.
That is nothing though, he invented a Turbine of simple construction that is , he claims to be about 95 percent efficient. The possibilities with this device are quite astounding if you combine virtual wireless transmission of power. When they were developing engines for aeroplane. His turbine was at least five times lighter than the engines then invented. I feel there are some flaws here but it has been proved by another professor who investigated his turbine that it was theoretically possible to get around 95 percent efficency out of it. I can see the pump achieving this efficency mentally but as for reversing the process and making an equally efficient motor out of it seems to go against what I know of physics even if laminar flow can work in reverse with this device.
Like you I am interested in becoming grid free and with fuel prices going the way they are ...let alone the tax ....looking for other ways of motive power.....hence the interest in this turbine.
The dream or the impossibility as conventional science would have it is that of something for nothing. Like your earth batteries. This is where the fertile ground lays......some call it zero point energy the older generation call this source the ether. At least where this energy comes from
It has been scientifically proven that particles appear in a vacumn and disappear again. I am not sure whether this is connected or not but there are over unity devices out there that can be built.
Over unity meaning that you get more power out than you put it. What I read tonight knocked my socks off! Obviously it needs developing and I have read much in the same vain. It is possible to change the magnetic field at a point in space using a bar magnet and a coil on a former so that you can get 1.37 of the field...greater than unity. If this is so then it would or should be possible to get more power out than you put in. I have not thought this through but either you could make a supper efficient motor to generaty electricity or you could build a motorless generator.
This is what I have read and it would need me to build circuits that I do not have the space to do yet but this is an experiment carried out in the lab.....they do not break the laws of physics as described in these articles.....they utilize everyday physical laws.
The most promising of what I have found tonight is the easiest and most stunning phenonimum that Michael Farady noted but I believe is not shown in many text books. It is that if you suspend a magnet vertically opposite a rotating disc of conductive metal then a potential difference is generated between the inside and the outer edge of the disc. It has also been done where the magnet rotates with the disc! How large this voltage and current is was not described...but the thing is that the lines of force of the magnet are not broken as such so does not place a load on the motor driving it.....at least not in a conventional sense.
It may be something or nothing.....I feel that it could be an interaction between the earths magnetic field and the magnet....not as described in the document I read. It is a line of investigation I will try soon.
I know this is not hard science and it is...it is laboratory proffessors who have carried out this work. It is certainly open to ridicule but as with cold fussion there is an element of truth there that is being ignored. Simply it is a closed mind scoffing at something. To me scientific advancement can only come with an open mind willing to explore. A closed mind will never find anything except what you expect to find. An open mind will find answers and solutions. If we spent as much energy and money on searching for the truth rather than running people down because of our own beliefs we would be a much better society today than we are and a lot less dependent on that elixer they call oil.
Going into prediction mode...the oil crisis is much more than is being let on....we need oiless power today...tomorrow will be too late.
There are possibilities or avenues to explore.....keeping an open mind will bring one of them to life. Even if 99percent of them are impractical or the dreams of fools we owe it to ourselves and future generations to take more than a glance at them. To be truly scentific we need to set up completely foolproof experiments and view the results with an open mind and then still look to see if there is anything that we may have neglected. Remembering that nothing is foolproof and to be human is to ere.
Sorry on my box again!
Your question about arc lights and LED's
There is a big difference between the currents and voltages involved with driving an LED and an arc light.
I am not sure how much voltage an arc light uses but I think you are talking at least a hundered times different.
The LED's use about three volts at 0.03 amps while an arc light should use much higher voltages and currents.
From what I have seen of white LED's then they will illuminate on much lower voltages and currents and it seems to me that the garden LED's have a much lower than normal voltage to illuminate them. I suspect but have not confirmed it, white and Blue LED's may produce a higher frequency than natural light and use a phosphorescent material in the LED to change the frequency to one that you can see.
LED's depend on an electrons changing energy levels within an atom to produce a photon of light.....hence Red LED's need about two volts to produce red light, Green LED's need about 2.6 volts.....orange or yellow use a combination of materials of both green and red LED's to produce that colour. They have certainly produced tri colour leds this way using one green and one red LED in the same encapsulation.
The colour of the LED depends on the rare earth metals they use. Blue has been the hardest to produce and that is why I suspect a flourescent material. On this I may be wrong.
LED's certainly do not use the electric arc principle. I believe the first electric arcs used two carbon rods in near contact to each other to produce an electric arc which would require a reasonably high voltage to initiate but could be reduced to a certain extent once fired up.....then it would certainly depend on the amount of current passed. Again I may be wrong about the voltage aspect.
regards
Bernard
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Doing a search on Stubblefield and carbon lamps I came up with this :
Stubblefield
TB.
More results to come soon, have finally caught up with my work and managed to survive the floods of Glastonbury (saw a free energy place almost every night but was shut and then could never locate it again in the day, wasn't meant to be I guess...) and now have a bit more time on my hands. I reckon I could knock up one of those Stubblefields' coil assemblies.
Am thinking two would be better to try and create a potential between the them, an interesting point in that link about the height difference, I have the perfect hill in mind to try it out with.
Am bored with measuring the volts on my two pipes, time to move onto the bigger and betterer
Bernard
Welcome, have a good read through the thread, there may be other points in a similar thread of TimeBenders', is linked in the first post. Everything you need is here or linked to, have a go yourself, it is well worth the effort of bashing two bits of pipe into the ground
My next plan is to set up a series of the junk pipe cells to get enough volts to power a 3v LED, I want to get a measurement of current from it. Made a 4v battery out of a small potato cut in 4 and some screws n wires, has been dimly lighting an LED for two days now. I couldn't get a readable current from it, presuming I am doing it right which I'm pretty sure I am. My neighbour grows them, in case you were wondering, and I was bored watching him dig...
Am getting a steady 0.9v from the two bits of pipe so I'm hoping that 4 cells will be enough to light the LED. It came out of a Solar Charged Garden Light which I bought a the local garage, will also experiment with charging the batteries from the Earth Battery instead of solar and see how long it lasts....
More info :
Someone trying, by the looks of it, the
Stubblefield Cell
Some good reading here (search through the text for
arc lamps)
Stubblefield Meanderings
In fact this
Google Search turns up loads of references to the ability of the power for his lamps on his farm. There's some mention of them always being hung from old / large trees and the power being drawn off near the root...Hills and trees are going to be my next target...
Just one question : How does a carbon arc lamp compare with an LED on a physical level, it seems to me that an LED is creating an ARC also ?[/b]
