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[Judge Bean]

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Sounds like The Scarlet Letter.

 

[Unintentional]

Frauds and lies

If you can't persuade or win honestly...lie cheat steal....

http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/...bushbraind.html

\"He is brain dead,\" Biden said of the president.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/2...oc_fraud20.html

Thousands of cards mailed by county election boards to newly registered voters in Hamilton County and throughout the state are being returned because the people can't be found.
it's a result of statewide registration fraud conducted by independent groups that support Democratic candidates.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...gn_firstlady_dc

Teresa Heinz Kerry, wife of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites), questioned whether first lady Laura Bush ever had \"a real job,\"
\"Teaching is a real job. Working as a librarian is a real job. Staying at home and rearing a family is a real job,\" Hughes (Bush political advisor) said.

 

[pauli]

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Yo Pauli,

Where did you ever get that I was anti-Jewish? I've gone to great lengths to state that I am not. I hang out with Jewish friends here. I am anti-Israeli govt., just like I'm anti-US govt. Does that make me anti-American? NO. The Mossad is an instrument of the Israeli govt., just like the CIA is an instrument of the US govt. Are these two organisations guilty of crimes that the general population would be outraged over. Yes. Well there's probably less now with all of the scare tactics being practised by the US govt. Do I trust either of these govts. or their \"intelligence\" agencies? Hell NO.

So get it strait bubba. I ain't no neo-Nazi or anti-semitic. Not one bit. I am very concerned about how the governments of the world, especially the US, have become the masters of those governed rather than the servant as was originally intended. The concentration of power in the govt. and its institutions has corrupted it IMO.

Cary, I thought we had put this one to bed over on the other thread. Please re-read what I said and you'll see I didn't say it:

I am not talking about you specifically, but my skin began to crawl when I read all of that theory about 9-11 being a Mossad action.

My thoughts are that you are reading from sites that support the sort of rhetoric that believes in the Protocols. That doesn't mean that you support them.

Btw, I consider myself to be a Zionist. I believe firmly that the Jews have every right to live in their own land where they live under a gov't built and maintained by Jews. This is how I define Zionism - and how everyone else I know in my community that defines Zionism.

 

[Judge Bean]

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Originally posted by pauli@Oct 21 2004, 07:25 AM
Btw, I consider myself to be a Zionist. I believe firmly that the Jews have every right to live in their own land where they live under a gov't built and maintained by Jews. This is how I define Zionism - and how everyone else I know in my community that defines Zionism.

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Can you live there if you aren't Jewish? Do you get to vote, run for office, go to graduate school, or criticize the government if you aren't Jewish?

 

[CaryP]

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Seems the Bushco is squelching a CIA report until after the elections. I don't there's any "big surprise" in it, except for some possibly embarassing allegations of how much the Buchco gang wasn't "paying attention" to terrorist threats. The bigger question for me was "why" were they ignoring these threats. Was it intentional, or was it just blatant arrogance and stupidity? My vote is the intentional side of the coin. I know, I know, I'm a nut job for believing that our govt. would execute or allow a "Pearl Harbor" event to give them "something" to start an ongoing global war. But that's just what PNAC wanted. Who founded PNAC? Cheney, Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Wolfowitz, Perl, Feith and a whole host of Bushco appointees. 9/11 gave them just what they wanted. They had to lie and fabricate just as big a "conspiracy" about Iraq and its connection to 9/11 to get the country behind the war. But that's all been blown out of the water. Anybody give a rat's ass? All too few. We get respones of the "Aren't you glad that Saddam, an evil dictator, has been deposed and the Iraqi people have been liberated?" Give me a huge freakin break. We replace Saddam with our own "evil dictator" who reportedly killed 7 suspected "insurgents" in cold blood by his own hand the day before the CIA installed him as the "legal" head of Iraq. What about our own "evil dictator" and his crew of thugs occupying the White House today? As for as the Iraqis and their freedom, if you've checked ongoing developments in Iraq, it don't sound too damned "free" or with much "liberty".

Cary

The 9/11 Secret in the CIA's Back Pocket

The 9/11 Secret in the CIA's Back Pocket
* The agency is withholding a damning report that points at senior officials.

It is shocking: The Bush administration is suppressing a CIA report on 9/11 until after the election, and this one names names. Although the report by the inspector general's office of the CIA was completed in June, it has not been made available to the congressional intelligence committees that mandated the study almost two years ago.

\"It is infuriating that a report which shows that high-level people were not doing their jobs in a satisfactory manner before 9/11 is being suppressed,\" an intelligence official who has read the report told me, adding that \"the report is potentially very embarrassing for the administration, because it makes it look like they weren't interested in terrorism before 9/11, or in holding people in the government responsible afterward.\"

When I asked about the report, Rep. Jane Harman (D-Venice), ranking Democratic member of the House Intelligence Committee, said she and committee Chairman Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) sent a letter 14 days ago asking for it to be delivered. \"We believe that the CIA has been told not to distribute the report,\" she said. \"We are very concerned.\"

According to the intelligence official, who spoke to me on condition of anonymity, release of the report, which represents an exhaustive 17-month investigation by an 11-member team within the agency, has been \"stalled.\" First by acting CIA Director John McLaughlin and now by Porter J. Goss, the former Republican House member (and chairman of the Intelligence Committee) who recently was appointed CIA chief by President Bush.

The official stressed that the report was more blunt and more specific than the earlier bipartisan reports produced by the Bush-appointed Sept. 11 commission and Congress.

\"What all the other reports on 9/11 did not do is point the finger at individuals, and give the how and what of their responsibility. This report does that,\" said the intelligence official. \"The report found very senior-level officials responsible.\"

By law, the only legitimate reason the CIA director has for holding back such a report is national security. Yet neither Goss nor McLaughlin has invoked national security as an explanation for not delivering the report to Congress.

\"It surely does not involve issues of national security,\" said the intelligence official.

\"The agency directorate is basically sitting on the report until after the election,\" the official continued. \"No previous director of CIA has ever tried to stop the inspector general from releasing a report to the Congress, in this case a report requested by Congress.\"

None of this should surprise us given the Bush administration's great determination since 9/11 to resist any serious investigation into how the security of this nation was so easily breached. In Bush's much ballyhooed war on terror, ignorance has been bliss.

The president fought against the creation of the Sept. 11 commission, for example, agreeing only after enormous political pressure was applied by a grass-roots movement led by the families of those slain.

And then Bush refused to testify to the commission under oath, or on the record. Instead he deigned only to chat with the commission members, with Vice President Dick Cheney present, in a White House meeting in which commission members were not allowed to take notes. All in all, strange behavior for a man who seeks reelection to the top office in the land based on his handling of the so-called war on terror.

In September, the New York Times reported that several family members met with Goss privately to demand the release of the CIA inspector general's report. \"Three thousand people were killed on 9/11, and no one has been held accountable,\" 9/11 widow Kristen Breitweiser told the paper.

The failure to furnish the report to Congress, said Harman, \"fuels the perception that no one is being held accountable. It is unacceptable that we don't have [the report]; it not only disrespects Congress but it disrespects the American people.\"

The stonewalling by the Bush administration and the failure of Congress to gain release of the report have, said the intelligence source, \"led the management of the CIA to believe it can engage in a cover-up with impunity. Unless the public demands an accounting, the administration and CIA's leadership will have won and the nation will have lost.\"

 

[Razimus]

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Originally posted by Ralan@Sep 10 2004, 08:00 AM
I want Bush out because he's a normal person, and normal people shouldn't be allowed such control over the world's greatest superpower and subsequently the world itself. Bush has a poor education record...

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I suppose Bush's Bachelors degree from YALE and a Master of Business Administration degree from HARVARD is no big deal, if it's from the perspective of
an Einstein like you.

He's also bi-lingual, but I'm guessing your tri-lingual?

Okay, you're talking about his "Progression of Education in America" record, well I disagree, but with the previous point, I don't think he's a normal person, but rather a remarkable leader, with lots of experience.

 

[August]

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Razimus,

First of all, welcome to this community. I wish you had not rode in shooting, but some cowboys feel that is the only way. How long have you been in town? Oh well, you might find some townsfolk here who shoot back.

you said,

I suppose Bush's Bachelors degree from YALE and a Master of Business Administration degree from HARVARD is no big deal, if it's from the perspective of
an Einstein like you.

So this is the new argument "ad resume"? Ah yes and I thought only liberals were elitist. You have proved me wrong, wise man.

I won't mention my pedigree but I live between Boston and New York and many people I have bumped into are Ivy League. And let me tell you something, buckshot, I know four such Ivys I wouldn't trust with a hamster over the weekend. I wonder: could I trust you with a hamster over the weekend? But you are wise enough to understand this question, correct?

So let me ask you something, what kind of fractured ego comes into town shooting?

 

[CaryP]

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I suppose Bush's Bachelors degree from YALE and a Master of Business Administration degree from HARVARD is no big deal, if it's from the perspective of
an Einstein like you.

Well razim-ass you sure do get around with that big egotistical mouth of yours. August was way too nice, and you've been way too rude. So do us all a huge favor and get some manners from somewhere. Didn't your momma raise you better than that? I guess not, but manners will be required. I don't care if you have to go to "Rocko's typewriter maintenance school for girls" to get some. If that's not possible why don't you just leave. I hear anomalies is looking for trolls like you. I've seen your posts over there, so it won't be a new experience.

As far as your hero, Bush barely got out of those Ivy League schools, and I can imagine that he got a lot of help from his dad and his dad's cronnies with that. His business history is spotted with failure, fraud and deceit. But that tends to run in the family - ever heard of his brother Neil's escapades in banking? Not a pretty picture. More failure, fraud and deceit. You wanna love Bush? Go for it, that's everybody's right. I can't stand Kerry either. But don't run your rude mouth at respected members here.

The point I really want you to let sink in is this - STFU if you can't be more polite. You've managed to insult everyone from the owner of the board to a variety of members with that arrogant, ignorant and rude-ass mouth of yours. You trying to put a big X on your back, slick? Keep going off with your bad manners, and I'll put one on for ya.

Cary

 

[StarLord]

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Razimus,

Thank you for your post. You are correct, Bush IS remarkable. In fact there have not been many pres. like him to be honest.

His Grade average in Yale was a C. Yes sir, top o the class. You can tell by his vocabulary, his ability to make up words as he goes makes Norton, in the Honeymooners, look like a amateur.

Bush comes from big money, he has learned the American way of buying a Oil company and liquidating all personal stock and holdings, THEN going bankrupt.
He has remarkably bounced back and by using Land and taxpayer money Bought the Texas Rangers.

He was remarkably instrumental in changing pollution laws to favor oil companies, no surprise there, Oil companies helped him to get into the governorship in Texas in the first place.

Bush remarkably cut taxes to the point that the Texas treasury became bankrupted to the tune of Billions of Dollars.

He remarkably became pres after a default of some 500,000 votes in Florida, over seen by "GASP" his Brother the Governor AND Supreme Court foolios appointed by OMG can you believe it, His Father. Obviously, there was absolutely no collusion there what so ever.

You are correct, Bush is remarkable and the list of his credits are endless. He is a liar, a thief and will shake the Red Herrings in your face while stealing from your pocket to further his own personal agenda.

I would like to point out that when it comes time for you to collect social security, remarkably, it will not be there because Bush has allowed the govt. to steal, forget Borrow that has the connotation of being paid back, from the funds that were there. Had he been worth his salt and truly cared about the folks that live in this country, he would have made inroads to coming to terms with the financial fiasco and debacle that exists today.

I appreciate your loyalty and commitment to Bush. I think you may want to research fully what the remarkable man is capable of behind the backdrop of protecting you and this country. Think ahead, where is the oil, why, where there are troops now. What a coinkydink would you not agree?

 

[pauli]

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Can you live there if you aren't Jewish? Do you get to vote, run for office, go to graduate school, or criticize the government if you aren't Jewish?

Erm, Paul... Have you been to Israel? Have you visited the K'nesset? I have to think not because if you had you would already know that the answer to those questions is a resounding "Yes."

In fact, with the recent (meaning the past year or so) building of the infamous "wall," there have been mayors of Arab towns who came to the Israeli gov't and pleaded for the Israeli's to place them inside of the security fence (that is inside of Israeli land.) The Arabs are no dummies. There are a number of them that struggle between the freedoms they have living in a land governed by the Jewish gov't and their feelings of national pride. But one thing they do understand, they know their bread is buttered better over with the Israelis. If they are placed in PLO operated territory, they will be living under a repressive gov't sporting Arafat and his henchmen as the tin-horned dictator, to whom they must answer.

I have an Israeli friend who fought in the 73 war. She told me a story she witnessed six years before. In 1967, before Jerusalem was liberated, there were thousands of Arabs living throughout the city, on the Jordanian side. After Israel won and Jordon pulled out of the West Bank, the Israelis were faced with a tremendous problem. The Arab people who lived in the city were living in absolute squalor. There was no running water, cholera was rampant, little children ran through the streets naked and forget the idea of any of them being in school. Most of them were uneducated, naked and shoeless (the kids, that is). It was one HUGE mess. Deciding to shoulder the burden of these people, the Israelis put the sick into hospitals, created a plumbing system for that part of the city, cleaned the streets of offal, clothed the children and put them into schools.

After a few weeks, the Arab people began to flood the Ministry begging for the Israelis to take them on as citizens. The gov't hesitated at first, but then decided to issue citizenship papers. This went on for several weeks. As word spread, the Ministry offices were deluged with masses of people begging for citizenship. But then, inexplicably the large numbers suddenly dropped off to almost nothing. Knowing that there were many more who had not secured citizenship, the Ministry decided to find out what had happened. They were kind of curious as to what would change people from screaming and beating on their desks one day, to disappearing and hiding the next. So, they went and questioned them.

At first they couldn't get anyone to really talk about it. People became evasive. But, after pressing them, they started getting the picture. The PLO and other groups had seen what was taking place in Israel, with Arabs trying to get Israeli citizenships, and they began to lean on them. They would tell them, "You want to be an Israeli citizen huh? Ok, but if you do, say goodbye to your family in Ammon. Say goodbye to your uncle in Baghdad, etc. etc. Because if you keep persisting in this, one day they will simply vanish and it will be on your head."

Ok, putting aside this anecdotal story, there are Israeli Arabs who are members of the K'nesset. The Druze are Israeli citizens and they aren't Jewish - they even fight in the Army alongside the Jews. There are Druze officers in the army. There are Christians who have lived in Israel for many years. And, I don't think you have to worry about whether or not there is criticism of the gov't taking place by all cultures in Israel, that happens in all countries around the world in democratic regimes. Israel is no different. I don't have figures for how many non-Jews are in graduate school in Israel, but if they are anything like the U.S., the schools are more interested in admitting those who can pay for their education, not in worrying about whether they are of the "proper" ethnic background. To them, money is money; a shekel in the hand of a non-Jew is just as good as the shekel in the hand of a Jew.

Ok, and to be fair, I am not going to say the system is perfect. Of course there will be inequities. There are those who will favor a Jewish person over and non-Jew. Bigots like that exist in any culture. And, when you have one group that is pre-dominately over proportional to another group, there will be some monkey business. That happens in the States too. You and I both know that - or at least I think we can both see that in our country. However, the short answer to your questions is "Yes."