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CaryP

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I've said in chat before that OBL is a bought and paid for CIA asset. Here's an article that shows the CIA knew were he was and "negotiated" with him in July 2001. OBL was in an American Hospital in Pakistan for medical treatments of his failed kidney function. Believe what you wanna believe, but OBL is the "enemy" created by the US govt. to justify and wage its "war on terror". You can't have a "war on terror" without a terorrist, can you?

OBL was back in the same hospital on 9/10/01, the day before 9/11. The US govt. knows where he was, probably knows where he is. He's a bought and paid for asset of the CIA. Anyone remember when he was initially bankrolled and supplied with weapons, intel and communications equipment by the US govt.? When he was being hailed as a "fredom fighter" in Afghanistan in the 80's and early 90's during the attemtped Soviet occupation of that country.

Cary

Bush Administration knew the Whereabouts of Osama

Bush Administration knew the Whereabouts of Osama
by Michel Chossudovsky

www.globalresearch.ca 16 November 2003 (revised 17 November 2003)

The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO311A.html

? ?If the CBS report by Dan Rather is accurate and Osama had indeed been admitted to the Pakistani military hospital on September 10, 2001, courtesy of America's ally, he was in all likelihood still in hospital in Rawalpindi on the 11th of September, when the attacks occurred. In all probability, his whereabouts were known to US officials on the morning of September 12, when Secretary of State Colin Powell initiated negotiations with Pakistan, with a view to arresting and extraditing bin Laden.

?A recent Reuters report (11/13/03; scroll down) quoting Labeviere's book \"Corridors of Terror\" points to alleged \"negotiations\" between Osama bin Laden and the CIA, which took place two months prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks at the American Hospital in Dubai, UAE, while bin Laden was recovering from a kidney dialysis treatment

?Enemy Number One in hospital recovering from dialysis treatment \"negotiating with CIA\"?

?The meeting with the CIA head of station at the American Hospital in Dubai, UAE was confirmed by a report in the French daily newspaper Le Figaro, published in October 2001. (See Alexandra Richard, at http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html ,

?For a virtual tour of the hospital click http://www.ahdubai.com/site/tour_1.htm

?American Hospital in Dubai

?The \"negotiations\" between the CIA and Osama (a CIA \"intelligence asset\") is sheer disinformation. Even though the CIA has refuted the claim, the report serves to highlight Osama as a bona fide \"Enemy of America,\" rather than a creation of the CIA. In the words of former CIA agent Milt Bearden in an interview with Dan Rather on September 12, 2001, ?If they didn?t have an Osama bin Laden, they would invent one.?

?Intelligence negotiations never take place on a hospital bed. The CIA knew Osama was at the American Hospital in Dubai. Rather than negotiate, they could have arrested him. He was on the FBI most wanted list.

?According to the Reuters report: \"At the time, bin Laden had a multi-million dollar price on his head for his suspected role in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa\". So why did the hospital staff, who knew that Osama was at the American Hospital in Dubai, not claim the reward?

?The Figaro report points to complicity between the CIA and Osama rather than \"negotiation\". (see excerpt below). Consistent with several other reports, it also points to the antagonism between the FBI and the CIA.

?If the CIA had wanted to arrest Osama bin Laden prior to September 11, they could have done it then in Dubai. But they would not have had a the war on terrorism pretext for waging a major military operation in the Middle East and Central Asia.

?According to Le Figaro:

? ?\"Dubai... was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July [2001]. A partner of the administration of the American Hospital in Dubai claims that \"public enemy number one\" stayed at this hospital between the 4th and 14th of July. While he was hospitalized, bin Laden received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. During the hospital stay, the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking the main elevator of the hospital to go [up] to bin Laden's hospital room. A few days later, the CIA man bragged to a few friends about having visited bin Laden. Authorized sources say that on July 15th, the day after bin Laden returned to Quetta [Pakistan], the CIA agent was called back to headquarters. In the pursuit of its investigations, the FBI discovered \"financing agreements\" that the CIA had been developing with its \"Arab friends\" for years. The Dubai meeting is, so it would seem, within the logic of 'a certain American policy.'\" (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/RIC111B.html )

?The Figaro report is confirmed by several other news reports including the London Times (1 Nov 2001 at http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timelin...imes110101.html ). During his 11-day stay in the American hospital, Osama received specialized medical treatment from a Canadian urologist Dr. Terry Calloway .(See http://www.ahdubai.com/site/ps18_2.htm )

?Osama back in Hospital on September 10, 2001, one day before the 9/11 attacks

?According to Dan Rather, CBS, Bin Laden was back in Hospital, one day before the 9/11 attacks, on September 10, this time, courtesy of America's indefectible ally Pakistan. Pakistan's Military Intelligence (ISI) told CBS that bin Laden had received dialysis treatment in Rawalpindi, at Pak Army's headquarters:

?[transcript of CBS report, see http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CBS203A.html ,

?see also http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/28/...ain325887.shtml ]

? ?DAN RATHER, CBS ANCHOR: As the United states and its allies in the war on terrorism press the hunt for Osama bin Laden, CBS News has exclusive information tonight about where bin Laden was and what he was doing in the last hours before his followers struck the United States September 11.

? ?This is the result of hard-nosed investigative reporting by a team of CBS news journalists, and by one of the best foreign correspondents in the business, CBS`s Barry Petersen. Here is his report.

? ?(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) BARRY PETERSEN, CBS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Everyone remembers what happened on September 11. Here`s the story of what may have happened the night before. It is a tale as twisted as the hunt for Osama bin Laden.

? ?CBS News has been told that the night before the September 11 terrorist attack, Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan. He was getting medical treatment with the support of the very military that days later pledged its backing for the U.S. war on terror in Afghanistan.

? ?Pakistan intelligence sources tell CBS News that bin Laden was spirited into this military hospital in Rawalpindi for kidney dialysis treatment. On that night, says this medical worker who wanted her identity protected, they moved out all the regular staff in the urology department and sent in a secret team to replace them. She says it was treatment for a very special person. The special team was obviously up to no good.

? ?\"The military had him surrounded,\" says this hospital employee who also wanted his identity masked, \"and I saw the mysterious patient helped out of a car. Since that time,\" he says, \"I have seen many pictures of the man. He is the man we know as Osama bin Laden. I also heard two army officers talking to each other. They were saying that Osama bin Laden had to be watched carefully and looked after.\" Those who know bin Laden say he suffers from numerous ailments, back and stomach problems. Ahmed Rashid, who has written extensively on the Taliban, says the military was often there to help before 9/11.

? ?AHMED RASHID, TALIBAN EXPERT: There were reports that Pakistani intelligence had helped the Taliban buy dialysis machines. And the rumor was that these were wanted for Osama bin Laden.

? ?PETERSEN (on camera): Doctors at the hospital told CBS News there was nothing special about that night, but they refused our request to see any records. Government officials tonight denied that bin Laden had any medical treatment on that night.

? ?(voice-over): But it was Pakistan`s President Musharraf who said in public what many suspected, that bin Laden suffers from kidney disease, saying he thinks bin Laden may be near death. His evidence, watching this most recent video, showing a pale and haggard bin Laden, his left hand never moving. Bush administration officials admit they don`t know if bin Laden is sick or even dead.

? ?DONALD RUMSFELD, DEFENSE SECRETARY: With respect to the issue of Osama bin Laden`s health, I just am -- don`t have any knowledge.

? ?PETERSEN: The United States has no way of knowing who in Pakistan`s military or intelligence supported the Taliban or Osama bin Laden maybe up to the night before 9/11 by arranging dialysis to keep him alive. So the United States may not know if those same people might help him again perhaps to freedom.

? ?Barry Petersen, CBS News, Islamabad.

? ?(END VIDEOTAPE) END

?It should be noted, that the hospital is directly under the jurisdiction of the Pakistani Armed Forces, which has close links to the Pentagon. U.S. military advisers based in Rawalpindi. work closely with the Pakistani Armed Forces. Again, no attempt was made to arrest America's best known fugitive, but then maybe bin Laden was serving another \"better purpose\". Rumsfeld claimed at the time that he had no knowledge regarding Osama's health. (see CBS transcript above).

?Needless to say, the CBS report is a crucial piece of information in the 9/11 jigsaw. It refutes the administration's claim that the whereabouts of bin Laden are unknown. It points to a Pakistan connection, it suggests a cover-up at the highest levels of the Bush administration.

?Dan Rather and Barry Petersen fail to draw the implications of their January 2002 report. They fail to beg the question: where was Osama on 9/11? If they are to stand by their report, the conclusion is obvious: The administration is lying regarding the whereabouts of Osama.

?Inpatient dialysis treatment tends to be longer than 24 hours in most American hospitals, which suggests that Osama would have been discharged from the Hospital on or \"after\" September 11.

?If the CBS report is accurate and Osama had indeed been admitted to the Pakistani military hospital on September 10, courtesy of America's ally, he was in all likelihood still in hospital in Rawalpindi on the 11th of September, when the attacks occurred. In all probability, his whereabouts were known to US officials on the morning of September 12, when Secretary of State Colin Powell initiated negotiations with Pakistan, with a view to arresting and extraditing bin Laden.

?These negotiations, led by General Mahmoud Ahmad, head of Pakistan's military intelligence, on behalf of the government of President Pervez Musharraf, took place on the 12th and 13th of September in Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage's office.

?For further details, see: M. Chossudovsky, Cover-up or Complicity of the Bush Administration? The Role of Pakistan's Military Intelligence (ISI) in the September 11 Attacks, 2 November 2001 http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.html , See also War and Globalization, the Truth behind September 11 , Global Outlook, Shanty Bay, 2003, http://globalresearch.ca/globaloutlook/truth911.html )
 

CaryP

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As a follow up, when was the first time you heard of "al Qaeda"? I quick clue, it wasn't before 9/11. Check out the link and/or article below. I know, I know. It's just a bunch of conspiracy theory crap. Our govt. would NEVER LIE to us would they? Of course not. Just like all the lies in the economic reports that get published from our govt. agencies. This isn't anti Bush, or Republican. It's anti-govt. lies. Both parties and administrations have been doing it for decades. Throw all the lying whores out of office. Problem is, who in their right mind with a high level of scruples and integrity, would want to swim in the sewers that we call the "halls of power" in Washington DC. Ron Paul of Texas in the House of Rep. is one of the very few.

Cary

'al Qaeda': A Non-Entity Before 9/11

'al Qaeda': A Non-Entity Before 9/11
Many researchers claim the name al-Qaeda was made up in middle ?90s by a variety of American functionaries (one of them being none other than Richard Clarke) as an all-purpose villain the U.S. could blame as a convenient reason for its military adventurism.

Three days before President Bush's inauguration, Colin Powell at his confirmation hearing discussed for the first time his priorities as the nation's new secretary of state. He spoke on 20 topics - from China and the Balkans to U.N. sanctions and Iraq. He never mentioned the al-Qaida terrorist group. [Capitol Hill Blue]

This Time article, published June 2001, details the hype surrounding Osama bin Laden. It makes no mention of an 'al Qaeda' terrorist network.

Read this article from the Chicago Tribune which is dated September 11, 2001. You will find only one reference to 'al Qaeda' in it, all other references are to bin Laden.

Here are some other quotes from September 11, 2001:
CIA Director George Tenet: 'You know, this has bin Laden's fingerprints all over it.'
[ABC News]

General Wesley Clark: \"Only one group has this kind of ability and that is Osama bin Laden's.\" [Ottawa Citizen]

U.S. officials say there are \"good indications\" that Saudi militant Osama bin Laden [...] is involved in the attacks, based on \"new and specific\" information developed since the attacks. [CNN]

This streamed CNN RealVideo clip from 9/11 states \"personnel close to Osama bin Laden the fugitive Saudi terrorist [denies] that that group was involved.\"

In this 9/11 BBC RealVideo clip the reporter says that the CIA suspects that \"Osama bin Laden and his group were responsible for this.\"

How could so many people be oblivious to the name of the 'al Qaeda' global terrorist network?

There can only be one reason: the network was a non-entity.
THOUSANDS of FBI agents have rounded up more than 1,300 suspects across America since September 11, but they have failed to find a single al-Qaeda cell operating in the United States. Tom Ridge, the Director of Homeland Security, admitted yesterday that he suspected that there were active cells in the US, but he could not explain why none had been caught. [Times Online 3/11/2002]

So, is \"Al Qaeda\" the modern incarnation of \"Emmanuel Goldstein\", the arch-villain manufactured by the state to rule the population with fear?
In early 2002, when [FBI agent Mike German] got word that a group of Americans might be plotting support for an overseas Islamic terrorist group, he proposed to his bosses what he thought was an obvious plan: go undercover and infiltrate the group. But Mr. German says F.B.I. officials sat on his request, botched the investigation, falsified documents to discredit their own sources, then froze him out and made him a \"pariah.\" [New York Times]

A \"War on Terror\" needs terrorists...
 

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Originally posted by CaryP@Oct 2 2004, 03:07 PM
As a follow up, when was the first time you heard of \"al Qaeda\"? I quick clue, it wasn't before 9/11.

Err, well actually it was. I saw an interview on Fox with Condelesa Rice and (I believe) Gretta VanSustern, about six months before 9/11. She was asked about major threats to our nation and "al Qaeda" was in the list.

>:D< "Mom"
 

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I am jumping in this with ignorance but some knowledge from what I have read in my life. It was my understanding Al-Queda came into existence to protest the US troops in Saudi Arabia.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/1670089.stm

Here is a little news from the archives of the BBC.

Al-Qaeda, meaning \"the base\", was created in 1989 as Soviet forces withdrew from Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden and his colleagues began looking for new jihads.

Individual groups or cells appear to have a high degree of autonomy, raising their own money, often through petty crime, and making contact with other groups only when necessary.

But here is a caveat:

Some analysts have suggested that the word al-Qaeda is now used to refer to a variety of groups connected by little more than shared aims, ideals and methods.
 

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Originally posted by sosuemetoo+Oct 2 2004, 08:18 PM--><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-CaryP@Oct 2 2004, 03:07 PM
As a follow up, when was the first time you heard of "al Qaeda"?? I quick clue, it wasn't before 9/11.

Err, well actually it was. I saw an interview on Fox with Condelesa Rice and (I believe) Gretta VanSustern, about six months before 9/11. She was asked about major threats to our nation and "al Qaeda" was in the list.

>:D< "Mom"
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You bet she did. The looming threat of this international criminal organization was booted back and forth through the halls of the Pentagon, White House, and Langley all through August, 2001-- while Bush was on vacation in Texas. They came out to Texas to brief him on the threat-- just for that reason. He was giving a tour of the ranch to the reporters and showed them his "office," and pointed to the phone and said that later that day he'd be "talking to world leaders... yeah.. world leaders."

What he told the 911 Commission while Cheney was holding his hand was that he would have acted on it if he had only known that the threat existed. While "interviewing" him, they knew full well that he and his staff had been thoroughly briefed and warned, and that he was lying to them. Just one of the monumental lies that permitted him to wage war.

And the world leaders he was talking to from Texas must not have included the leaders of Germany, France, Russia...
 

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I wonder how long before Condoleeza Rice goes the way of Col. Oliver North as a Govt. scape goat. Every body knows the prez could not possibly make any mistakes.
 

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There is a failed Congressional race and subsequent career as a talkshow host in her future, perhaps after doing a nickel upstate, after she has testified to the effect that she would go into a corner and stand on her head if her Commander in Chief told her to.

Well, let me rephrase that.
 

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You know, along the same lines more or less, I've read that Oliver North was on the ground directing helicopter traffic or supervising operations in some fashion while U.S. troops were landing to rescue the Iran hostages. The copters crashed, the mission was aborted, Carter was unable to get the hostages out and lost the election to Reagan, who is the Commander in Chief for whom North would have stood on his head in the corner.

Which would have been a perfect fit, by the way, given the point atop his head.
 

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