Is An Ancient City Hidden Under Antarctica?

Harte

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It has always baffled me how some individuals, can say or say that. My question is this.

1. Why is it so hard not to believe that it is possible that there is something there?
Who has stated it's "impossible"
I believe the assertion is that there is nothing there, not that there is no possibility of something there.
2. We as humans now had to learn how to do things by people from ancient times to fathom that it is not possible is always amazing to me.
You seem not to fathom it yourself.
Amazing!!!

History will always change because man scientists ect... will always find new thing's like animals with the Lazareth affect, or ancient humans that date back 50,000 yrs ago, or ancient villages/towns.
Homo Sapiens dates back to at least 200,000 years before present. The word "humans" actually refers to ANY species of the genus Homo. That genus goes back almost 3 million years (at least.)

So, where did you get 50,000 years?

Most of the time man/scientists do not like to be proved wrong because it will change history ect.....
You're parroting garbage you've been fed (and, apparently, chose to believe.)
Proving a theory wrong is what EVERY scientist is trying to do - ALL the time.

So no I don't discount that there could be and was, to be blocked off at the thought is mind boggling because they always finding stuff that was discounted.
As opposed to actually thinking about what you're saying before posting it?

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If somebody shows me strict proof that there existed a civilization in Antarctica before the rise of homo sapiens civilizations roughly in the early bronze age of Eurasia, and the 200s BC in Andes and Mesoamerica, then I will believe there is something to it.

The main reason I discount pre-human civilizations on the Earth is that the civilizations would have to predate most of the current surface geography. Otherwise, you'd see evidence that a technological civilization existed here since they already would have gone after the easily accessible strategic resources.

Internet woo woo fans often think of this question in terms of what we would see if such a civilization were here (alien or domestic) but, really, you ought to think in terms of what you should not see; i.e. no gold sitting on the surface of the American west, all the major aluminum and iron deposits that were easily gotten still untouched around the world not having been there and holes existing where they used to be, and so on.
 

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If somebody shows me strict proof that there existed a civilization in Antarctica before the rise of homo sapiens civilizations roughly in the early bronze age of Eurasia, and the 200s BC in Andes and Mesoamerica, then I will believe there is something to it.
"Proof?" Hell, there's not even any evidence to suggest anything like that.
Con men pick "Under the ice in Antarctica" because nobody can look there, thus you get more mileage out of the claim (i.e., sell a book for a longer period.)

Exactly the same reason we always hear about ancient civilizations now covered by the ocean (or even worse, now underground due to tectonic subduction.)

Find any place that nobody can go look, and I'll guarantee you that the fringe shysters have been on it.

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"Proof?" Hell, there's not even any evidence to suggest anything like that.
Con men pick "Under the ice in Antarctica" because nobody can look there, thus you get more mileage out of the claim (i.e., sell a book for a longer period.)

Exactly the same reason we always hear about ancient civilizations now covered by the ocean (or even worse, now underground due to tectonic subduction.)

Find any place that nobody can go look, and I'll guarantee you that the fringe shysters have been on it.

Harte

Personally, I think technological civilization is a highly unlikely evolutionary development. It implies a lot of different things evolved simultaneously that are not very likely to evolve in the first place. Some means to manipulate objects (opposable thumbs) are about the only obvious evolutionary adaptation, since at every stage of evolution this path confers advantages. Complex (context-free grammar) languages, however, don't seem to fit that paradigm. There exists no intermediate complexity. It's just one big jump, and there is no obvious intermediate advantages to language. Furthermore, it may be that the kind of language humans evolved (dividing the world into nouns, verbs, adjectives, and so on) has far more to do with our drive towards technology than many may assume.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if sperm whales, for example, were pretty intelligent and that they use some kind of language. But no opposable thumbs to manipulate objects. Trapped in the ocean. Language evolved to deal with a completely different environment that may not be conducive to thinking in terms of civilization in the first place.



If the discussion were limited to human civilizations that predate the rise of civilizations we know about shortly after the end of the ice age.. it may be worth speculating. Like I said, there probably was not anything very technological here because we'd see the remains of the iron mines, and there would be obvious missing resources.

Pre-industrial civilizations before we came along.. that's a possibility, but again I think we don't really understand the probabilities of evolving the prerequisites, and I suspect those probabilities are quite low.
 

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@Kairos - I think we need not attribute all amazing developments to evolution. And I'll leave it at that, saying it because though you may be set in your beliefs, it seems, to me at least, like you're repeating yourself like a broken record.

Edit: Also, I suggest we just move on and focus more on the topic at hand without being too controversial, if I'm using the right term.
 

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@Kairos - I think we need not attribute all amazing developments to evolution. And I'll leave it at that, saying it because though you may be set in your beliefs, it seems, to me at least, like you're repeating yourself like a broken record.
So to remove the insult from the statement, you believe that civilization is the product of something other than evolution.

I disagree. There is nothing you can do to teach bonobos to create a civilization. They have to evolve the capacity for it. Civilization can be seen as a set of evolutionary behaviors.
 

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@Kairos - I didn't mean to insult you; that's not what I intended. Also, nothing I said can be perceived as an insult. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I just think evolution is not the only answer; I believe aliens made hybrids out of themselves and early hominids.
 

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What I find amazing is scientists claim they know everything, what how can you know everything about a Galaxy universe whatever you want to call it that is millions or billions years old. So how can man sit there and say they know what is out then what is not out there? It's just like the forest on this planet we haven't even touched the full capacity of the forest so how do we even know what kind of crypto is is out there? Same with the sea how do we even know what's healthy when we haven't even came close to exploring even the deepest part of the sea or oceans? So for scientist or anybody to sit there and claim they knew they are taking the confidence for arrogance, and the Lord did say they shall be made in our image. So God lord Creator whatever you want to call them has made more than just humans and to think that he didn't it's just plain arrogance of the person who thinks that it's not an insult or anything like that it's just the plain fact.
 

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Personally, I think technological civilization is a highly unlikely evolutionary development. It implies a lot of different things evolved simultaneously that are not very likely to evolve in the first place. Some means to manipulate objects (opposable thumbs) are about the only obvious evolutionary adaptation, since at every stage of evolution this path confers advantages. Complex (context-free grammar) languages, however, don't seem to fit that paradigm. There exists no intermediate complexity. It's just one big jump, and there is no obvious intermediate advantages to language.
There is simply no way on Earth to know this. People were talking for a million years before writing arose.

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What I find amazing is scientists claim they know everything, what how can you know everything about a Galaxy universe whatever you want to call it that is millions or billions years old. So how can man sit there and say they know what is out then what is not out there? It's just like the forest on this planet we haven't even touched the full capacity of the forest so how do we even know what kind of crypto is is out there? Same with the sea how do we even know what's healthy when we haven't even came close to exploring even the deepest part of the sea or oceans? So for scientist or anybody to sit there and claim they knew they are taking the confidence for arrogance, and the Lord did say they shall be made in our image. So God lord Creator whatever you want to call them has made more than just humans and to think that he didn't it's just plain arrogance of the person who thinks that it's not an insult or anything like that it's just the plain fact.
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When you start your post out with a non sequitur AND a straw man, it's very difficult to take you seriously in any way.

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@Kairos - I didn't mean to insult you; that's not what I intended. Also, nothing I said can be perceived as an insult. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I just think evolution is not the only answer; I believe aliens made hybrids out of themselves and early hominids.

I still think we are the aliens.

I Look at the variety of humans. White black yellow red brown pygmies tall fuckers innuts...we come in a variety of shapes colors and sizes and biological adaptations.

Now what do we always hear from credible abductees. Little grey little grey little grey.

Theyre using blanks. Thats a nice way of saying an engineered body they can upload consciousness into for physical world interactions.

If interstellar travel were possible we would see the diversity of evolution in visitors. Instead its always the little grey.

The aliens are just to survivors of the first great civilization imho. This also would explain their interest in us as a species.

Not because we are hybrids but because we are the descendants of those that did not upload.
 

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I still think we are the aliens.

I Look at the variety of humans. White black yellow red brown pygmies tall fuckers innuts...we come in a variety of shapes colors and sizes and biological adaptations.

Now what do we always hear from credible abductees. Little grey little grey little grey.

Theyre using blanks. Thats a nice way of saying an engineered body they can upload consciousness into for physical world interactions.

If interstellar travel were possible we would see the diversity of evolution in visitors. Instead its always the little grey.

The aliens are just to survivors of the first great civilization imho. This also would explain their interest in us as a species.

Not because we are hybrids but because we are the descendants of those that did not upload.
Well the Lord did say " This Time we make them in our image" so yeah there is a plausible connection to other beings. The fact that scientists wanna say we come or evolved from apes is just hilarious. I mean come on apes? Really???
 

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There is no "This time" in that quote.
You know, if it's permissible to add words to what's supposed to be a valid quote, then I can make a monkey out of you.

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There is no "This time" in that quote.
You know, if it's permissible to add words to what's supposed to be a valid quote, then I can make a monkey out of you.

Harte

Excuse me " Let us make man in our image"
No need to act like that.
Get more file with honey then vinegar.
But guess some ppl are always like that. Sad cause no reason to be like that.
 

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And some people don't think twice about changing a quote in order to make it seem to support some ridiculous idea.

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