Is An Ancient City Hidden Under Antarctica?

titorite

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Excuse me " Let us make man in our image"
No need to act like that.
Get more file with honey then vinegar.
But guess some ppl are always like that. Sad cause no reason to be like that.
That's harte, he's like that. Don't worry he misquotes stuff himself. Im always correcting him about a john titor posting regarding presidents he routinely misquotes the original entry.
 

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That's harte, he's like that. Don't worry he misquotes stuff himself. Im always correcting him about a john titor posting regarding presidents he routinely misquotes the original entry.
Well thank you and yeah ain't that rich he loves to belittle and correct people when they make an honest mistake but he's done himself I guess with what you just said. Well that's people like that.
 

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So, your "honest mistake" just happened to support the ignorant position being discussed?
Pardon me for not believing that.
Tell some more lies, and I'll call you out on them as well.

Harte
 

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My understanding of the exegesis of that text is that nobody really knows exactly what it means. There are multiple interpretations going back thousands of years in both Christianity and Judaism. I suspect it just means that you have personhood and the capacity to love God. An interesting aspect to the account is that God's image apparently does not include the knowledge of good and evil, so intellect is out as a factor.

You could argue we are literally in his image insomuch as the second person incarnated as a human being.

The actual text is as follows:

26 And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth.


27 And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
There is no "this time".

I have to say, the notion that we literally were made in the likeness of God in the sense that Christ would be incarnate as a human being makes a kind of sense when you consider God is outside of time. Causality doesn't exactly mean the same thing to an agent that interferes from outside time.
 

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Whether anyone personally believes what the text says is their business.

Purposefully misquoting it simply to support an unevidenced hypothesis is everybody's business.

Harte
 

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so let me get this straight in my peanut brain here
the region in question is now and has been covered by a foot or two of glacial ice for a couple days
said ice tends to apply some measure of crushing force on anything under it
said ice is in a constant state of motion
so said ice would tend to grind any and all things under it into dust as it moves out to the calving point of the open sea
so it may be a better question to ask
can we find any of the rubble from a city on the ocean floor ??
but hey that's just me using some simple logic no youtube needed
 

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I do not know of any city under Antarctica but there is no evidence of any cities under Antarctica (Antarctica is a barren continent that is cold and mostly covered by ice). However just because there is no evidence of something’s existence that does not mean that something does not exist.
 

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Antarctica is not an ideal place for a civilization to exist in because it is cold, mostly covered by ice and is barren. The freezing cold is bad for agriculture and is very harsh.
 

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I thought the argument was that the city was built by another species during the period when Antarctica had not drifted down to the southern pole.
 

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The Nazis between April 1944 to February 1945, were able to build a huge secret underground bomb proof facility in Thuringa Germany, for production of their Jet Fighter Plane the Me262....This was Hitlers final "Wonder Weapon", he hoped would stop Allied bombing of Germany..
The enormity of the task was even beyond Hitlers belief in such a short space of time....12000 "forced labourers from Italy and Eastern Europe, including 3000 skilled workers were involved in constructing the facility.....Large underground bunkers were also built in German occupied Jersey by forced labourers, only 232 miles away from London UK...

My point is, the Nazis in my humble opinion would have been extremely capable of building a huge under the ice facility in Antarctica....German engineers were incredibly skilled at building tunnels/areas that could withstand huge amounts of weight/pressure upon them, the Me262 facility i mentioned in my first paragraph is a specific example...Another point i wish to make is that below the ice in Antarctica there could be huge areas that contain fixed and liveable temperatures.....For example there is a cave in the Mendips Somerset UK, called the Wookey Hole Caves where a fixed temperature of 11 degrees Centigrade/52 degrees Fahrenheit is maintained for 365 days of the year, every year!!..
 

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I doubt they could have gotten all the material and people there in secret, much less without all that stuff getting sunk.

Also, though I do not pretend to be an expert on the logistical problems inherent in giant building projects on that continent, it seems to me the locations where a 1930s-1940s project could be landed are few, and the times they could accomplish such a landing also rare. To build stuff now, we'd airlift most of that material to where we wanted to build. In the 1930s, you'd have to roll up with an armada of freight ships, and then unload all the material piece-by-piece from the ships to the shore with smaller boats. Then you'd have to haul all the material from that staging area to the actual build site, which could be many miles inland. You'd need to bring a substantial amount of motorized equipment in addition to all the concrete mix and metal structural components.
 

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I doubt they could have gotten all the material and people there in secret, much less without all that stuff getting sunk.
The Germans had dozens of available submarines and aircraft to take people and supplies to Antartica....Going back to the Me262 facility, the tunnel reinforcements they used was sand stone, which came from the area they were already within....It was the geometry of the tunnels that was the genius behind it, and the same could be applied under the ice, where the geometry of existing ice formations would be used :cool:..
 

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The Germans had dozens of available submarines and aircraft to take people and supplies to Antartica....Going back to the Me262 facility, the tunnel reinforcements they used was sand stone, which came from the area they were already within....It was the geometry of the tunnels that was the genius behind it, and the same could be applied under the ice, where the geometry of existing ice formations would be used :cool:..
Submarines could not move that much material, much less the size of various equipment and some of the beams, etc. Nor can you get that stuff out of a submarine easily once there. You need large freighters to move that kind of stuff, and that requires more boats and equipment to unload everything, assuming you can get the freighters close enough to shore, which implies quite a lot of ice breakers.

There European underground bases were built.. in Europe. With a supply chain that was short and resources right there. It's not really comparable. At all.
 

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Submarines could not move that much material, much less the size of various equipment and some of the beams, etc. Nor can you get that stuff out of a submarine easily once there. You need large freighters to move that kind of stuff, and that requires more boats and equipment to unload everything, assuming you can get the freighters close enough to shore, which implies quite a lot of ice breakers.

There European underground bases were built.. in Europe. With a supply chain that was short and resources right there. It's not really comparable. At all.
You didnt read my previous posting properly...There would not be any "beams" required to support tunnels, i said the supports would be existing ice, arranged in a geometric pattern to form supports...The only stuff needed below ice would be clothing and basic supplies....My thoughts are that the Nazis began preparing the Antarctica base mid 1943, when they began to realise that things were not going too well in WW2 for them....Dont forget that the Me262 facility was built and operational within 10 months!!....German engineers were masters of building such structures, in superfast times!(y)..
 

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You didnt read my previous posting properly...There would not be any "beams" required to support tunnels, i said the supports would be existing ice, arranged in a geometric pattern to form supports...The only stuff needed below ice would be clothing and basic supplies....My thoughts are that the Nazis began preparing the Antarctica base mid 1943, when they began to realise that things were not going too well in WW2 for them....Dont forget that the Me262 facility was built and operational within 10 months!!....German engineers were masters of building such structures, in superfast times!(y)..
Ice has very little tensile strength. You can build caves inside of a large block of ice, but structures.. nah. Not something serious.

If we are talking 1930s here.. Most likely reinforced concrete would be used. You could ship in the mix in large freighters along with steel rods. Trucks would haul the material out from the staging area. You'd need to assemble some cranes on site.

Maybe it would be possible to use hot water jets or something to carve out the shapes in the ice and just use the ice itself as a mold for the cement, and then drive the rods in as it dries. Later you can clear out the interior of the space you built.

Not really sure, exactly, since I am not a structural engineer, but I know enough strength of materials to know I wouldn't build anything substantially load-bearing with ice.
 

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Ice has very little tensile strength. You can build caves inside of a large block of ice, but structures.. nah. Not something serious.
I wasnt referring to Antarctica as having structures within it, i was merely endorsing the genius of the German Engineers and how they built the Me262 facility....Those same engineers would obviously have been used in Antarctica, and have used their Geometric skills for creating "Ice supports" for the tunnels, that i already mentioned in my previous posting..
 

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My salient point being that "ice supports" is a pretty bad idea just on the basis of strength of materials..
 

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My salient point being that "ice supports" is a pretty bad idea just on the basis of strength of materials..
You dont have a salient point, you keep overlooking "Geometry" and Engineering Genius...But i will leave you to continue in your normal argumentative manner, i dont have any further interest in reading your comments, however you have the right to say what ever you wish to :p.
 

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You dont have a salient point, you keep overlooking "Geometry" and Engineering Genius...But i will leave you to continue in your normal argumentative manner, i dont have any further interest in reading your comments, however you have the right to say what ever you wish to :p.

You should look up the tensile strength of water ice.
 
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