Mike Ruppert speaks of civil war!

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Mike Ruppert speaks of civil war!

Originally posted by Darkwolf@Nov 10 2004, 08:41 PM
I don't know if theres any way to moniter this, but I think we should be looking for a massive wave of resignations at the FBI as a sure sign we are in trouble.

Darkwolf, I saw this and remember yours and others comments. Is this what you meant?

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111404X.shtml
Deputy Chief Resigns from CIA
?By Dana Priest and Walter Pincus
?The Washington Post

?Saturday 13 November 2004

Agency is said to be in turmoil under new director Goss.
?The deputy director of the CIA resigned yesterday after a series of confrontations over the past week between senior operations officials and CIA Director Porter J. Goss's new chief of staff that have left the agency in turmoil, according to several current and former CIA officials.

?John E. McLaughlin, a 32-year CIA veteran who was acting director for two months this summer until Goss took over, resigned after warning Goss that his top aide, former Capitol Hill staff member Patrick Murray, was treating senior officials disrespectfully and risked widespread resignations, the officials said.

?Yesterday, the agency official who oversees foreign operations, Deputy Director of Operations Stephen R. Kappes, tendered his resignation after a confrontation with Murray. Goss and the White House pleaded with Kappes to reconsider and he agreed to delay his decision until Monday, the officials said.

?Several other senior clandestine service officers are threatening to leave, current and former agency officials said.

?The disruption comes as the CIA is trying to stay abreast of a worldwide terrorist threat from al Qaeda, a growing insurgency in Iraq, the return of the Taliban in Afghanistan and congressional proposals to reorganize the intelligence agencies. The agency also has been criticized for not preventing the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and not accurately assessing Saddam Hussein's ability to produce weapons of mass destruction.

?\"It's the worst roiling I've ever heard of,\" said one former senior official with knowledge of the events. \"There's confusion throughout the ranks and an extraordinary loss of morale and incentive.\"

?Current and retired senior managers have criticized Goss, former chairman of the House intelligence committee, for not interacting with senior managers and for giving Murray too much authority over day-to-day operations. Murray was Goss's chief of staff on the intelligence committee.

?Transitions between CIA directors are often unsettling for career officers. Goss's arrival has been especially tense because he brought with him four former members of the intelligence committee known widely on the Hill for their abrasive management style.

?Three are former mid-level CIA officials who left the agency disgruntled, according to former colleagues. The fourth, Murray, who also worked at the Justice Department, has a reputation for being highly partisan. When senior managers have gone to Goss to complain about his staff actions, one CIA officer said, Goss has told them\" \"Talk to my chief of staff. I don't do personnel.\"

?The overall effect, said one former senior CIA official, who has kept up his contacts in the Directorate of Operations, \"is that Goss doesn't seem engaged at all.\"

?If other senior clandestine officers leave, said one former officer who maintains contacts within the Langley headquarters, \"the middle-level people who move up may eventually work out, but meanwhile the level of experience and competence will go down.\"

?The CIA declined to comment on the issues raised by the current and former officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. A CIA spokesman said McLaughlin's retirement \"was a long-planned personal decision taken at a natural transition point in the administration and not connected to any other factors.\"

?McLaughlin issued a statement that said: \"I have come to the purely personal decision that it is time to move on to other endeavors.\"

?Goss, too, issued a statement, which applauded McLaughlin's \"outstanding service.\"

?\"On a personal note,\" the statement continued, \"I want to thank John for the kindness he has shown me as Director of Central Intelligence.\"

?In addition to bringing in his former aides from the Hill, Goss plans to dilute the authority of the Directorate of Operations by removing the director as the central figure in appointing country station chiefs overseas and regional division chiefs at headquarters.

?\"I definitely think all this is disrupting people's work,\" one agency official said. \"Everyone is waiting for the centipede to drop all his shoes.\"

?Associates said McLaughlin was disappointed by Goss's management style and was particularly disheartened by a series of recent confrontations between Murray and senior leaders.

?Yesterday, Murray told the associate deputy director of counterintelligence that if anything in the newly appointed executive director's personnel file made it into the media, the counterintelligence official \"would be held responsible,\" according to one agency official and two former colleagues with knowledge of the conversation.

?All three sources gave the following account:

?The woman, a highly respected case officer whose name is being withheld because she is undercover, told Michael Sulick, the associate deputy director of operations, about the threat. Sulick told Kappes, and both sought a meeting with Goss to complain.

?Goss, Murray, Kappes and Sulick met to discuss the matter. After Goss left, Sulick \"got in Murray's space,\" according to one of his associates whose account was corroborated by another. Murray then demanded that Kappes fire Sulick. Kappes refused, and told Goss that he would resign. Goss and other White House officials appealed to Kappes to delay his decision until Monday.

?Goss, a former CIA case officer and Republican legislator from Florida, promised during his confirmation hearing to set aside partisan politics and work to strengthen the CIA clandestine service. But current and former officials have said that his plans have been unclear to the senior clandestine service officials who would be responsible for carrying them out. In addition, they have been concerned by the backgrounds of the senior staff Goss has hired.

?Michael V. Kostiw, who was Goss's first choice for executive director - the agency's third-ranking official - withdrew his name after The Washington Post reported that he had left the agency 20 years ago after having been arrested for stealing a package of bacon.

?More generally, Goss's aides arrived at the CIA with harsh views of the clandestine service. Their views were laid out in a House intelligence committee report in June. \"There is a dysfunctional denial of any need for corrective action,\" the report said. The clandestine service suffers from \"misallocation and redirection of resources, poor prioritization of objectives, micromanagement of field operations and a continued political aversion to operational risk.\"

?The report was drafted primarily by Jay Jakub, whom Goss appointed to the newly created position of special assistant for operations and analysis.

?The House report's critique brought on a tough response from then-CIA Director George J. Tenet and led to a near-breakdown in relations between the agency and the panel staff. It was repeatedly noted by present and past clandestine officers that Jakub had a limited career at the agency, first as an analyst and later as a case officer.

?\"He never distinguished himself before he left,\" a former boss said.


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CaryP

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Mike Ruppert speaks of civil war!

To add to Snow's article, here's another one. Seems a bit of a "witch hunt" is going on at the CIA for non-loyal personnel at the request of the White House under new CIA chief Porter Goss. I've posted the link to the article, but only clips of the entire article.

Cary

CIA plans to purge its agency


Sources say White House has ordered new chief to eliminate officers who were disloyal to Bush

WASHINGTON -- The White House has ordered the new CIA director, Porter Goss, to purge the agency of officers believed to have been disloyal to President George W. Bush or of leaking damaging information to the media about the conduct of the Iraq war and the hunt for Osama bin Laden, according to knowledgeable sources.

\"The agency is being purged on instructions from the White House,\" said a former senior CIA official who maintains close ties to both the agency and to the White House. \"Goss was given instructions ... to get rid of those soft leakers and liberal Democrats. The CIA is looked on by the White House as a hotbed of liberals and people who have been obstructing the president's agenda.\"

One of the first casualties appears to be Stephen R. Kappes, deputy director of clandestine services, the CIA's most powerful division. The Washington Post reported yesterday that Kappes had tendered his resignation after a confrontation with Goss' chief of staff, Patrick Murray, but at the behest of the White House had agreed to delay his decision till tomorrow.

But the former senior CIA official said that the White House \"doesn't want Steve Kappes to reconsider his resignation. That might be the spin they put on it, but they want him out.\" He said the job had already been offered to the former chief of the European Division who retired after a spat with then-CIA Director George Tenet.

Tensions between the White House and the CIA have been the talk of the town for at least a year, especially as leaks about the mishandling of the Iraq war have dominated front pages.

Some of the most damaging leaks came from Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA's Bin Laden unit, who wrote a book anonymously called \"Imperial Hubris\" that criticized what he said was the administration's lack of resolve in tracking down the al-Qaida chieftain and the reallocation of intelligence and military manpower from the war on terrorism to the war in Iraq. Scheuer announced Thursday that he was resigning from the agency.

Let's hope this isn't the Stalinist version of "purging" those deemed disloyal. That would be a BAD thing.
 

Darkwolf

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Mike Ruppert speaks of civil war!

Darkwolf, I saw this and remember yours and others comments. Is this what you meant?


Thats exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. The first thing a tyrant does is make sure his enforcers are all loyal to the regime. Sounds like sombody has been reading their Machivelli. Not the first time thats happened, there was the "Halloween Massacre"
 

Judge Bean

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Originally posted by icepick_lobotomy@Nov 15 2004, 04:59 AM
I wonder how long til' that folksy guy starts up the concentration camps..


The president doesn't need to start up any camps: they are readymade, and available on short notice throughout the rural regions of the U.S. The legal device by which he would order internment would be an Executive Order or Presidential Proclamation giving the military the go-ahead to clear specific "areas" of all persons it (the military) deems a threat to national security. It is the military that decides whether you are a threat: if you are, you are arrested (and, of course, disarmed) and transported to a remote concentration camp for an indefinite period of time. Your only recourse is the writ of habeas corpus, which will only serve to have a court decide whether there was a valid reason for the arrest-- whether you fit the description of the class of persons to be arrested.

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Darkwolf

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he president doesn't need to start up any camps: they are readymade, and available on short notice throughout the rural regions of the U.S.


Do you have any specific locations on those? Are thy currently manned?
 

CaryP

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Darkwolf,

Here's an article with a number of links about the camps. Unfortunately, a number of the links aren't working now (heavy mystery music). I did find a list of the camps that was posted on abovetopsecret forum. I've seen the list a number of times. I can't vouch 100% accuracy for the entire list, but the three camps listed for Louisiana is exactly what I remember seeing before. There are over 600 camps throughout the US, and yes they are reportedly staffed. You might want to google these topics. There is a ton of stuff out there. A brief history of the camps.

1) Originally set up under "Rex 84" (set up in 1984 under Reagan admin.)
2) Somewhat mothballed during Clinton admin.
3) Brought back to fully operational by TA DA John Ashcroft.

Here's the link to the article:

FEMA's 911 Concentration Camps

Here's the list of the camps by state from the abovetopsecret forum:

Concentration Camps On U.S. Soil

I hope this helps. These FEMA boys appear to be locked, loaded and ready for action. Just waiting for the word.

Cary
 

August

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CaryP,

NPR this a.m. said these purges of "soft leakers" is being described by some as "an out-of-control food fight" and by others as "all out war".

Where do a bunch of unemployed CIA agents go? I would imagine they have a nifty set of transferrable skills.
 

Judge Bean

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Mike Ruppert speaks of civil war!

Originally posted by August@Nov 15 2004, 01:48 PM
CaryP,

NPR this a.m. said these purges of \"soft leakers\" is being described by some as \"an out-of-control food fight\" and by others as \"all out war\".

Where do a bunch of unemployed CIA agents go? I would imagine they have a nifty set of transferrable skills.


Walmart.
Disney World.
 

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