minuteman project and Waco type events thread

[CaryP]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Thanks Cornelia,

Seems Capt. May is predicting a 9/11 event on 9/27/04 based on the numerology of the Illuminati. Been reading about these boys for some time. We've got 19 days from today. Correlates with some other stuff I've been reading. Thanks again.

Cary

 

[StarLord]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Cary,

Re read the very last part of Capt. Mays stuff where he specificaly refers to '"terrorists" that got hold of 4 planes as weapons'.

If this dude is so all fired sure about the cia's imput in all this bs as he states in the beginning of the verbage, it goes without saying that some thing does not compute big time if he's going to let slip that the cia/govt had nothing to do with the jets on 911. What The Hell, Over?

 

[Judge Bean]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Kettles to watch boil:

1. Expiration of federal machinegun ban-- half price on all new Uzis and Tech9s! The ban went into effect in 1994, post-Waco. Expiration is today. Recall that the excuse used to raid the compound was to serve a warrant related to weapons charges, and that the Davidians were supposed to have an arsenal.

2. Watch the polls! If Bush begins to slide again... he needs what we like to call an October Surprise! A paramilitary gearup is already in the works, and they are champing at the bit, so to speak, to sink their teeth into citizen shins. What you need for such a crackdown on civil liberties is a national crisis. America is under attack-- round up Americans!

3. Dense legal stuff you have no patience or interest about until it's too late! For example, the recent Supreme Court opinions that give the President and the Vice President unreviewable "executive privilege," a new kind, which they needed to have to keep Cheney out of hot water! The kettle boils... Now, they can keep anything they do secret if they say it has to be kept a secret; trust them.

4. Learn how they lie, so when they attack somebody you'll be able to tell if they are lying about the reason. If they attack citizens, it's the same kind of motivation as when they attack foreignors: heavy corporate mobsters and postpolitical "players" need an awful lot of reassurance, protection, profit...

"Make me president; you are better off now because I say you are; if you don't keep me as the president, we will be attacked again; if you are thinking of not keeping me as the president, watch out, we will be attacked any minute; if it wasn't for me, we would have been attacked, um, more, and we might be again when we least expect it; that's the price you pay for being safer."

 

[Judge Bean]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Authentic "Waco-type event," from AP 9/17/04:

"FBI agent shoots man" in Phoenix while trying to serve an arrest warrant (for assaulting a federal officer) on a member of a citizen's vigilante group.

The wanted person was "Casey Nethercott of Douglas, Ariz.... a known member of Ranch Rescue, a group that works to protect private property along the southern U.S. border." The shot man was his companion Kalen Riddle; the incident occurred in a grocery parking lot at 11:15 p.m., and was blamed on "actions taken by Nethercott and Riddle..."

Nethercott and his group conduct armed patrols of private property at the request of ranchers who want to fight "illegal immigrants and drug smugglers on their land." He has been twice convicted of felonies involving firearms and assault already, and has "been named in a civil lawsuit seeking damages backed by immigrants' rights groups."

The FBI refuses to release information to the media concerning the medical condition of the victim, the precise facts of the confrontation (other than to suggest that the other guys fired or drew first), or the reason why the warrant had to be served in the middle of the night at a grocery store by the FBI.

Parallels with Waco:

1. Organized, armed citizens' group (see No. 4 below);

2. Forced confrontation by agents serving warrants (ordinarily a federal marshal will serve an arrest warrant; the FBI is an investigative bureau);

3. "Ambush" style of serving a warrant on a citizen otherwise completely identifiable and accessible to law enforcement officers;

4. Incident involving firearms, firearms charges, "militia" style group targeted for prosecution;

5. News twist or spin so that the facts of and reason for the confrontation are obscured;

6. "Wild West" style elements-- shootout, ambush, lawmen and outlaws, southwest setting, etc.

Although this is a minor event, it may have gone quite wrong and quite south, and it looks as though the feds wanted to catch Nethercott while he was isolated. But because even that much was bungled, it means that the next time they want to pick up a troublemaker, to bust his group, they will perhaps not bother with the technicalities of the "warrant" excuse.

If they wanted someone like Koresh nowadays, they would be able to label him a domestic terrorist, get an "administrative warrant," without the intervention of a magistrate (a federal magistrate issued the warrant in the Phoenix incident), and assault the compound directly.

The Constitution permits private law enforcement of the type represented by Ranch Rescue-- which is nothing more than a modern posse comitatus-- and it is only the violent paranoia of the feds that demands that policing of the unfastened southern border of the U.S. be exclusively performed by the government.

Whatever happened to self defense? Such self defense is enshrined in the Second Amendment, which consists of two operative parts (something routinely forgotten by the NRA): self defense and defense of the state. Under the defense of the state heading falls the guaranteed right to offer armed resistance to tyranny, an idea of apparently high interest to the government.

The primary tactic used to suppress such organizations as Ranch Rescue is criminal prosecution, which serves multiple purposes. It defames the members in the media, giving them indelible propaganda labels. It isolates and imprisons the leaders. It disarms the group. Expect to see news stories that propagandize any organized, armed civilian group.

Ranch Rescue is not an avowed anti-government group, except in the sense that it makes the embarrassing demonstration that the government is not doing its job in policing the border. Michael Moore made a similar demonstration about the Oregon coast in his movie, and the feds are sensitive about the border crossings at Port Angeles, Washington (ferry) and in New England.

 

[TheOrangeMan]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Have a link Paul?

 

[Snow]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Here's a link The OrangeMan http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=2312545

An FBI agent shot and wounded a man as agents arrested a member of a Southeastern Arizona border rights group.

The group known as Ranch Rescue has had problems with federal law enforcement officers. Border Patrol helicopters hovered above the Ranch Rescue headquarters on the outskirts of Douglas.

The ranch is lcoated 1/2 mile from the U.S./Mexico border. It's owned by Casey James Nethercott.

Officials say at 11:15 Wednesday night, FBI agents arrested the 37-year-old convicted felon at the Safeway parking lot in Douglas. He's charged with assault on a federal officer.

During the arrest, authorites say, \"Actions taken by Nethercott and Kalen Robert Riddle led one of the FBI agents to fire his weapons at Riddle.

Riddle was wounded and is listed in critical condition in a Tucson hospital.

Nethercott's arrest stems from an incident three weeks ago involving 3 border patrol agents. Court documents show Nethercott refused to stop when agents tried to pull him over.

He led the agents to the compound and yelled obsentities. He also said, \"We're going to have a shoot out.\"

Douglas Mayor Ray Borane predicted something like that would eventually happen. He says the group has been confrontational with the Mexican Army and other law enforcement agencies.

Borane is hoping this will put an end to group and move them out.

Netercott spent the night in the Cochise County Jail and was taken to a federal facility in Tucson on Thursday.

Nethercott, 37, has a criminal record. He was convicted of assault with a firearm in California and was on parole when he joined Ranch Rescue.

In June, he was also found guilty by a Texas jury of felony firearm possession. They jury was deadlocked on a secord charge that accused Netercott of pistol-whipping an illegal immigrant near a Texas ranch.

SFW

 

[CaryP]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Here's an article from a local paper with more background on the players and events leading up to the incident.

Cary

Douglas militia leader arrested

Douglas militia leader arrested
Casey James Nethercott


Convicted felon and militia organizer Casey James Nethercott was arrested by FBI agents Wednesday night in Douglas in connection with a tense confrontation late last month with Border Patrol agents at his nearby ranch.

Kalen Riddle, 22, of Aberdeen, Wash., a member of Nethercott's Arizona Guard, was shot and seriously injured during the arrest, which took place in a Safeway shopping center on Douglas' west side.

Hospital officials in Tucson said Riddle was in guarded condition, but his mother, Janice Binks-Riddle, said her son had undergone surgery to remove his spleen and had been placed in a drug-induced coma, with his prognosis still uncertain.

Nethercott, 37, was initially booked into the Cochise County Jail but was transferred to federal custody in Tucson on Thursday, said Carol Capas, a spokeswoman for the Cochise County Sheriff's Department. He is charged with assaulting a federal officer during an incident that occurred Aug. 31.

FBI officials said actions taken by Riddle and Nethercott caused an agent to draw his weapon and shoot Riddle. The name of the agent is being withheld as a matter of policy, said agent Susan Herskovits, an FBI spokeswoman.

She said search warrants were served at Nethercott's Warrior Ranch, about three miles west of Douglas, on Thursday afternoon.

Nethercott's Arizona Guard, which mixes anti-immigrant and private-property-rights rhetoric in its Internet appeal for members, is an offshoot of Ranch Rescue, splitting off after a rift developed between Nethercott and Ranch Rescue organizer Jack Foote.

Foote moved Ranch Rescue from Texas to Arizona early in 2003 after Nethercott, formerly of California, bought the Douglas-area ranch that now serves as headquarters for his Arizona Guard.

Ranch Rescue now lists a Sierra Vista address. Foote did not reply to telephone calls and e-mails seeking comment on Nethercott's arrest and his split with Ranch Rescue.

A complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Tucson states that on Aug. 31, three Border Patrol agents turned on their lights and sirens while trying to stop Nethercott near his home, but he ignored them and continued onto his property, where agents observed Riddle carrying a firearm and several armed men taking defensive positions within the ranch compound.

The complaint says Riddle \"moved his weapon towards the front, still pointed at the ground,\" when the agents stopped outside Nethercott's ranch.

Nethercott shouted verbal commands and issued orders by radio as he threatened the Border Patrol agents, according to the complaint.

After initially listening to Nethercott, Riddle said he was getting down on the ground as ordered by the agents.

Nethercott called Cochise County sheriff's deputies to the scene, saying Border Patrol agents had members of his organization on the ground and were pointing weapons at them.

Nethercott warned that if the deputies did not arrive quickly, there would be shooting between the group and Border Patrol agents.

By the time the deputies arrived, other Border Patrol agents had also arrived. The deputies found at least seven Border Patrol vehicles, with at least as many agents shielded behind their vehicles with their handguns drawn, as well as some with AR-15 rifles, all pointing toward the Arizona Guard compound.

Nethercott told deputies that at no time did agents activate their emergency lights in an attempt to stop him and that they aimed weapons at Riddle, who only had a rifle slung over his shoulder.

Nethercott, a twice-convicted felon, told deputies that he was angered because Border Patrol agents had ordered Nethercott to lie on the ground \"like a criminal.\"

Deputies were able to defuse the situation when Border Patrol agents retreated from the property, about a half-mile east of the Douglas Border Patrol Station.

The incident was reported to the FBI, which got an arrest warrant for Nethercott on Sept. 8 from U.S. Magistrate Judge Glenda E. Edmonds in Tucson.

Bill Dore, a friend and honorary member of the Arizona Guard, said Nethercott called him at about 1 a.m. Thursday and told him about the arrest and shooting, and asked him to watch after his ranch and dog.

Nethercott was convicted on federal weapons charges earlier this year and was free on bond pending a decision by Texas authorities on whether he would be retried on assault charges stemming from a 2003 incident in which he was accused of beating two illegal immigrants detained in a Ranch Rescue operation in Hogg County, Texas.

Riddle's mother said her son, who stands 6 feet 8 inches tall and weighs 380 pounds, is a \"gentle giant\" of Norwegian descent. But like many young people, he had grown up \"with so much anger\" and he \"fell in with these hate groups,\" she said.

The Arizona Guard's Web site includes a mission statement that reads: \"We are an Organized Militia Dedicated to the Defense of American Patriotism and to help local ranchers and citizens defend property from illegal alien activity and drug running operations.\"

The case illustrates the threat to migrants, law enforcement officials and others posed by Nethercott's group and other self-proclaimed militias and extreme anti-immigration groups, said Jennifer Allen, director of the Tucson-based Border Action Network.

The group has issued repeated warnings about what it calls the growing danger of vigilantism.

Allen said Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard shares responsibility for the shooting incident because he and other law enforcement officials in Arizona have allowed these groups to operate with seeming impunity.

\"While some of the individual vigilantes may deny any overt connections to white supremacy, the movement they are creating is part and parcel of the white supremacist movement,\" she said. \"It's not about private property or immigration; that's a lie. It's about racism. These are hate groups, and these are hate crimes.\"

Goddard said his office has worked diligently to address what is primarily an issue for the federal government and for local jurisdictions.

He said he has met with federal officials from the United States and Mexico, and has appealed to his counterpart in Sonora and other border states, church groups and advocacy groups, asking them to come forward with specific evidence of a crime committed against a migrant by a militia member.

To date, no victim has come forth, he said.

\"We need a witness to make a case,\" he said. \"It's an issue we all have to struggle with, but it doesn't have a simplistic answer.\"

 

[TheOrangeMan]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Thanks for the links SFW and Cary.

I find it funny, MSNBC... CNN... Fox had nothing about this.

Oh wait... no I don't.

 

[Cornelia]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Is this a Waco-type event?
http://www.rense.com/general57/vitmo.htm

Anyway, it's chilling... something like that happened in G8 Genoa 2001.

 

[Judge Bean]

minuteman project and Waco type events thread

Notice how the Attorney General's office manages to smear Nethercott as a racist. If he were actually connected to racist material or programs of any sort, he would have been charged with hate crimes at the same time he was charged with his other crimes. The authorities are permitted to speculate and propagandize and prosecute by innuendo and their fear of independent citizen groups, rather than by means of actual evidence-- of which they have none, hence their desperate call for a single witness.

It is a very embarrassing situation for the feds to have the Mexican border wide open the way it is. They are currently under orders to round up as many illegal aliens as possible and deport them en masse-- but these are people aleady in the U.S., who are on their lists. Meanwhile, thousands more just walk across at night. The situation is made stickier because the government has for generations permitted illegal immigration and worked closely with corrupt local police on both sides of the border. The issue is one of cheap labor needed in both countries for agriculture and unfettered/unsafe manufactory.

I think Douglas, Arizona was the town raided by Pancho Villa.