Timelines and the AfterLife question

[QuantumLeap]

Re: Timelines and the AfterLife question

Take memory, are we actually remembering an event and picturing it, or are we simply viewing the event remotely, being led there by key points actually stored somewhere in our being ?-thenumbersix

So what if this is true? Could this be remote viewing of a time and place we once were? I can think of a place in my head. I can view it from any angle I choose as well. I can relive it over and over if I want as well. Could it be possible that we are actually viewing these events remotely and they're so second nature but science has us believing that these are just thoughts in our mind? It would be interesting to hear other comments on this.


A question, some people are theorising that the mind is a quantum computer of sorts. I can create a fairly detailed picture in my mind of pretty much anything. So, if you think of a scene does it make it real in an alternate universe? Inc which case it could never happen in yours as it exist elsewhere. Such as winning the lottery, the more sure I am gonna win the crappier my numbers turn out to be.-thenumbersix

To comment on the first part of this paragraph...I have had detailed images of somewhere in Egypt but, I've never been there. Its sits in my mind as if I had though. I can see the Pyramids and I remember looking up to the blue sky like I was standing right in front of them (Pyramids). I remember walking around looking at all the different places as well. Now someone might say did you see this on t.v. and you're just remembering what you saw? I say no way! These are vivid images I have. Could this be an alternate timeline being mixed in with my life now? Or, is this possibly an act of Reincarnation? On that subject a friend and myself had got real stoned one time. Now I believe when we take do things that are mind altering we are opening more of our minds power and senses. So anys, my friend and I got real stone and he said all of a sudden I was talking about strange people and places. He asked me my name and I kept replying "my name is John." My friend then asked me what year it was and I said "its 1927." It took me awhile to snap out of whatever was happening to me but I do remember the whole incident. I remember everything I said even insisting it was 1927. I'd like to hear anyones opinion on this cause I believe I have a theory.
The second part of thenumbersixes paragraph was THINKING that this is my week to win the Lottery. I know that I have thought that many times and when I did my numbers weren't even drawn but, when I just went ahead and bought a ticket for the hell of it I would win 7 or 10 dollars. There's something thenumbersix says here that has me really thinking but I can't seem to put my finger on it but there's something there. Something very powerful. If sombody wouldn't mind looking at that 4th paragraph of thenumbersixes reply where the lottery is mentioned and maybe analyzing it. It would awesome to hear what you all think. Well I'm tired of typing but I will comment more later. Hopefully someone will have some great stuff to add.

 

[Timmy G]

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by QuantamLeap: If sombody wouldn't mind looking at that 4th paragraph of thenumbersixes reply where the lottery is mentioned and maybe analyzing it. It would awesome to hear what you all think.

thenumbersix: So, if you think of a scene does it make it real in an alternate universe ? In which case it could never happen in yours as it exists elsewhere. Such as winning the lottery, the more sure I am that I'm gonna win the crappier my numbers turn out to be.

This sounds something like what I've read regarding scientific experiments. They say even an atom / molecule is effected by someone looking at it. You are both touching on something I find fascinating, and I can relate.

Regarding the lottery which I very seldom play - I sat down one time and, knowing that I would never hit the lotto, decided to concentrate on the numbers by blanking my mind and just seeing what number(s) came to me. This is the first time I tried (by not trying) to see in my mind the winning numbers. The cool thing about it, is that I actually did pick every single number that was pulled that evening - rarely do I ever hit more than two or three, and the not-so-cool thing about it is that all the numbers appeared on different tickets.

Coincidence, fate, karma, energy that affects life's outcome. Life is an enigma wrapped in a mystery, isn't it? It is when I think I have just a small portion of it figured out that I am most in doubt. *chuckle*

 

[StarLord]

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The mind is a very amazing TOOL. It's a real crapy master. It does it's job wonderfully but it's not something you want to listen to in a certain sense. It stores information, it weighs situations and formulates answers based upon imformation at a blinding speed; faster than light actually but with another ability in tandem to do that.

From the very first moment entering this world, the brain begins to record. Two distinct repositories are used for this, the brain it self and the Akashic level. It is possible to be hypnotized and be taken back to the first week after birth and conversations around you can be 'replayed'. Feelings are stored as are physical sensations. EVERYTHING is stored. It is not unheard of to be able to 'remember' via a connection that we are unaware of, to the Akashic and bring forth imformation regarding past lives and experiences. Since this is a direct recording of actual experiences and the fashion that this information is stored, it is just like being there.

Much the same as any muscle in the body can be built up or strengthened due to repetitive use, the ability to recall past lives works much the same. The more you excersize this ability, the easier it gets. Don't get caught up in a negative mindset if you are unable to do this, it's small beans and really isn't that important in the scale of things, it's just another facet of Soul. Ever remember reading a good book on a train or bus during your comute and you swear that the normal 45 min trip only took 5 min? How is that possible? The bus or train does not go any faster and a tail wind wont help in this arena.... When you are practicing on a musical instrument, doing those mindless scales over, and over and over and over and your thinking all the time how boreing it is and how this is taking forever and why the hell did I want to learn how to play this damn thing anyway. Then you decide to do something else and you start to just noodle, or shred away nothing specific , just trading chords and mixing them seeing which sound good with the next, was that a keeeper, can I change that and double the tempo, then sneak in a few power cord runs, perhaps a few harmonic riffs......before you know it, you wake up, your fingers are flying away on there own, your brain has disconnected from the task at hand and you sudenly realize that you have been drooling and it's a half hour or more later.... How did that happen? How is it possible to disconnect the incessant bubblegum chewing brain and free one's self?

Although meditation has been touted as a means to alternate states of mind, I would prefer to be a tad more constructive, than just 'calming the waters'. For me the use of contemplation offers the best results. It is the first step to controling the mind or brain without controling it. It's very much like a 'busybox' in one sense because if you can have the brain occupied for a length of time necessary, it goes on automatic in a sense and you have liberated your true self. The brain can be imagined like watching a river and there is a string of barges, one behind the other, never ending. You also can see the beautiful valley, the trees, birds, if you listen you can hear the birds, you can hear the wind softly rustle through the leaves, you can feel the suns touch upon your skin.... The barges are your thoughts, one behind the other in an endless string, the yama yama bubblegum chewing machine in motion.

The very moment you start to 'listen' to a single thought, or concentrate on a single barge, the valley dissappears, you cannot hear the wind, the birds, you no longer feel the sun on your skin...there is naught but the thought you are thinking about.

The key is Attention. Where your attention is at you are at. If you can remain there at a specific spot long enough, reality has to follow. This is the reason that experiencing alternate realities, the Higher Planes is more than possible, it is Soul's birth right and part of the lesson plan. It is also the reason that things may be manipulated here, but, once you arrive to that point you find that there are other considerations to be considered.

Attention is the key.

 

[Harte]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"thenumbersix\")</div>

I don't really buy into the theory that everything happens somewhere, the alternate universe theory doesn't require there to be an infinite amount of different realities, just enough to cover the effects of random events in your own life.

For example, is there really a need to have two seperate realities where a speck of dust or a water molecule is in a slightly different place in each, the only time it would be important is at the time of observing it, maybe then alternate realities spring into existence as it becomes a point of focus and relevance ?

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Not being a physicist, I can't say if the "many universe" theory of quantum mechanics requires an infinite number of alternate realities. But I can say it most certainly requires more than you apparently think. There must be a distinct seperate reality for every quantum possibility. There's a lot of quantum possibilities, believe me. Every event involving any particle in the universe teems with quantum possibilities.

The position of a speck of dust or a water molecule can have enormous consequences in our universe, as chaos theory has shown.

You hit the nail on the head with your comment about observation though. It is the act of observation that makes any quantum possibility become existant in the reality where the observation took place. Quantum physicists call this "collapsing the probability wave."

 

[thenumbersix]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"Harte\")</div>

Not being a physicist, I can't say if the \"many universe\" theory of quantum mechanics requires an infinite number of alternate realities. But I can say it most certainly requires more than you apparently think. There must be a distinct seperate reality for every quantum possibility. There's a lot of quantum possibilities, believe me. Every event involving any particle in the universe teems with quantum possibilities.

The position of a speck of dust or a water molecule can have enormous consequences in our universe, as chaos theory has shown.

You hit the nail on the head with your comment about observation though. It is the act of observation that makes any quantum possibility become existant in the reality where the observation took place. Quantum physicists call this \"collapsing the probability wave.\"[/b]

I don't know how many you think I am suggesting but I would guess it to be quite a high number. I would think it would be a fluid process and suggest there is a 'trigger' of some sort that brings another reality into beingmaybe a critical mass. Doesn't 'collapsing the probability wave' seem suspiciously like collapsing alternate realities into the one true reality at that totally unique point in space and time ?

To cover all relevant conditions of every particle in the universe, though not dis-counted, just seems un-likely to me. Everything else naturally occuring seems to take the easiest route to fulfill its' purpose. How many particles in the universe ? We don't yet know how many 'make up' an atom. We would then need to take every possible condition of every particle and all of the combinations of each compared to the state of all of the others individually, would this figure constitute infinity (another method used to explain away the inexplicable)

Very true that a speck of dust may have a larger overall effect, as the last molecule in a tree rots away it falls down in the middle of an empty forest. It is however only that last molecules' change of state that has caused a significant change in our reality, and the atoms that make up that molecule. Chaos theory definitely works in our world but does it work in the quantum world ?

All of the previously rotting molecules of wood would have no significant effect, would nature/the universe really waste energy creating realities that serve no purpose ?

Observing the rotten tree trunk could create different realities but what would be the point of having more than necessary. I have issues with 'observations causing effects in the quantum world' mostly with how the concept is presented, but that's another story

Maybe there is more to the old saying 'Does a falling tree make a noise in the middle of a forest if nobody is there to hear it' (Has always bothered me that one)

 

[sinister]

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It is my belief that multi-universe theory can only work if it involves the existance of infinite universes.
EDIT: Also, your theory suggests that multiple universes are only created by major events and differences due to drastic changes. The problem with that is its a little centered on mankind. We aren't the only ones here, and when a tree falls down in a forest, it just might make a difference.
StarLord,
The point of meditation, as I was taught, was to quiet that inner voice. By training yourself to focus on nothing, you can eventually silence that voice at will, which would open up the next world of meditation training. So as I understand it, the way to understand what meditation does is to figure out exactly what that inner voice is. In my opinion, it is me, my ego. My big hanging question is, when your inner voice is shut off, what are you left with? Meditation to me is like getting in touch with for brief periods of time with a major facet of our minds that our brains have no capacity to regularly tune into. Has anyone else thought that maybe what we're left with has something to do with the idea of a global consciousness?

 

[Harte]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(\"thenumbersix\")</div>

I don't know how many you think I am suggesting but I would guess it to be quite a high number. I would think it would be a fluid process and suggest there is a 'trigger' of some sort that brings another reality into beingmaybe a critical mass. Doesn't 'collapsing the probability wave' seem suspiciously like collapsing alternate realities into the one true reality at that totally unique point in space and time ?

To cover all relevant conditions of every particle in the universe, though not dis-counted, just seems un-likely to me. Everything else naturally occuring seems to take the easiest route to fulfill its' purpose. How many particles in the universe ? We don't yet know how many 'make up' an atom. We would then need to take every possible condition of every particle and all of the combinations of each compared to the state of all of the others individually, would this figure constitute infinity (another method used to explain away the inexplicable)

Very true that a speck of dust may have a larger overall effect, as the last molecule in a tree rots away it falls down in the middle of an empty forest. It is however only that last molecules' change of state that has caused a significant change in our reality, and the atoms that make up that molecule. Chaos theory definitely works in our world but does it work in the quantum world ?

All of the previously rotting molecules of wood would have no significant effect, would nature/the universe really waste energy creating realities that serve no purpose ?

Observing the rotten tree trunk could create different realities but what would be the point of having more than necessary. I have issues with 'observations causing effects in the quantum world' mostly with how the concept is presented, but that's another story

Maybe there is more to the old saying 'Does a falling tree make a noise in the middle of a forest if nobody is there to hear it' (Has always bothered me that one)[/b]

Thenumbersix,

You are absolutely right. "Collapsing the probability wave" is a term used by quantum physicists that don't buy into what's known as the "Many Universes" theory in QM. The many universe guys just recognize it as the moment an event crystallizes into our reality. Observation is the trigger to which you refer. I know that it sounds crazy but the observational trigger has been proven in laboratory experiments. The act of observation causes the reality to change and I don't mean interfering with the state of the observed object by bouncing photons off it or something like that. The only argument in this is the explanation for what is happening. The vast majority of physicists think of an event as potentially occuring subject to the laws of probability. Once the event has been observed the probability wave collapses and the event enters our reality. A few believe in the many universe theory that there is a different universe for each quantum probability. BTW, this is only true at the quantum level, no one knows anything about any other universes possibly created by our conscious choices in life. Look for info on the "Two slit experiment" for more on the observational trigger.

Perhaps more on topic is another very strange idea from quantum physics. It turns out that an antiparticle can be seen as it's counterpart particle with an opposite time arrow. So an antielectron might be an electron moving backward through time. I think it was Feynman that said that there might be only one electron in the universe, it just goes back in time and fills in all it's spots over and over.

 

[jurnee]

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about the whole hell thing - why cant every "version" of a person be that same person in their own universe? and if they are bad, that one version will go to hell. if we have seperate universes, why not separate heavens?

i dont know.. i just thought this could be a possibility.

 

[StarLord]

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Life here is 'exciting' enough, there is no hell unless you want to make one for yourself when you check out of here. Whats the sense in having to go someplace because you made a bad decision? We usually get to pay for those mistakes here in spades.

 

[isabel]

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I believe hell is a category that doesn't necessarily have something to do with dying. It's not a place, nor an alternate timeline or dimension, but a state of the human soul.
We all can tell the difference between right and wrong. Lying, cheating, killing... those are all our choices. We act knowing what we do must have repercussions on our soul. That knowing is our own personal hell, our karmic baggage, something we haul around. It weighs on us in this life and in the next one (no matter whether you believe in reincarnation or heaven/hell); it stays with us until we redeem ourselves in our own eyes and/or in the "eyes" of the universe.
I believe we shouldn't expect a pardon, not in the traditional meaning of the word; more of a... freeing of the soul. When you realize your sins and make your amends, you will get out of hell.
And finally, no - I don't think we pay for the sins of our other selves. Parallel universes are just that - parallel. We take it one life at a time