People talking of splitting USA (red-blue map)
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Read this on boingboing.com, maybe it will ease some people. Oh and read the bottom link from the aclu, especially the fellow citizen page in the beginging. It's pretty weird how similar this admin is to Nixons in there idiology.
Kerry concedes.
Four more years of a nation led by criminals. I was making coffee with one eye on CNN when the news broke, and I called my dad, a man who's spent many years fighting for good things, sometimes at great personal cost.
"Get over it," he said, "The way you feel now is exactly how I felt when Nixon won a second term -- crushed. I just couldn't believe America was that stupid. "But remember what happened to Nixon that term."
"Change comes from discontent," he said. "And right now, there's a lot of discontent."
http://www.boingboing.net/
http://www.aclu.org/library/1stpamphlet.html
Read this on boingboing.com, maybe it will ease some people. Oh and read the bottom link from the aclu, especially the fellow citizen page in the beginging. It's pretty weird how similar this admin is to Nixons in there idiology.
Kerry concedes.
Four more years of a nation led by criminals. I was making coffee with one eye on CNN when the news broke, and I called my dad, a man who's spent many years fighting for good things, sometimes at great personal cost.
"Get over it," he said, "The way you feel now is exactly how I felt when Nixon won a second term -- crushed. I just couldn't believe America was that stupid. "But remember what happened to Nixon that term."
"Change comes from discontent," he said. "And right now, there's a lot of discontent."
http://www.boingboing.net/
http://www.aclu.org/library/1stpamphlet.html
MonkeyBean
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I'm Canadian, but am still willing to help
Whatever I can do.
I'm Canadian, but am still willing to help
Whatever I can do. Judge Bean
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I suggest a website dedicated to the Constitutional Amendment. Its exact text can be composed as a group effort rather easily, and voted on on the site without the need for convention or meeting.
Once the text of the Amendment is drafted (which calls for a national referendum of general impeachment, or "total recall," thanks to the inspiration of Arnie's election here) it can be walked around by volunteers in the various States.
That is one part of the effort required, and is meant to build a consensus. The other part will be the attempt to convince both the Congress and the legislatures of two-thirds of the States to adopt the Amendment. Either two-thirds of both houses of the Congress or two-thirds of the States must accept the new law (which must then be ratified by three quarters of the States), but the idea would be to demonstrate the public will by trying both.
Despite the monumental character of the undertaking, it has the virtue of simplicity. I think you can see that the U.S. Congress will not by any stretch approve of its own dismissal and replacement. However, if there is sufficient popular support, they would not dare oppose it, and would try to impose term limits or some such hogwash to avoid their fate.
Finally, if the Amendment is ratified, the actual recall election would take place, in which candidates for Congress and the presidency and vice-presidency would be elected to replace the evicted ones. The new elected officials would then appoint a new Supreme Court. None of the new leaders are permitted to have previously held positions at the same top level of the three branches, and spending caps would be put on their campaign efforts. The campaigns wouldn't have much time to amount to much anyway.
It's Us vs. Them, and the new Them would be under our Thumbs.
I suggest a website dedicated to the Constitutional Amendment. Its exact text can be composed as a group effort rather easily, and voted on on the site without the need for convention or meeting.
Once the text of the Amendment is drafted (which calls for a national referendum of general impeachment, or "total recall," thanks to the inspiration of Arnie's election here) it can be walked around by volunteers in the various States.
That is one part of the effort required, and is meant to build a consensus. The other part will be the attempt to convince both the Congress and the legislatures of two-thirds of the States to adopt the Amendment. Either two-thirds of both houses of the Congress or two-thirds of the States must accept the new law (which must then be ratified by three quarters of the States), but the idea would be to demonstrate the public will by trying both.
Despite the monumental character of the undertaking, it has the virtue of simplicity. I think you can see that the U.S. Congress will not by any stretch approve of its own dismissal and replacement. However, if there is sufficient popular support, they would not dare oppose it, and would try to impose term limits or some such hogwash to avoid their fate.
Finally, if the Amendment is ratified, the actual recall election would take place, in which candidates for Congress and the presidency and vice-presidency would be elected to replace the evicted ones. The new elected officials would then appoint a new Supreme Court. None of the new leaders are permitted to have previously held positions at the same top level of the three branches, and spending caps would be put on their campaign efforts. The campaigns wouldn't have much time to amount to much anyway.
It's Us vs. Them, and the new Them would be under our Thumbs.
QuixoticKitten
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That's interesting because I've been reading similar sentiments from various forums and blogs from people who have never heard of John Titor. It's rather scary!
That's interesting because I've been reading similar sentiments from various forums and blogs from people who have never heard of John Titor. It's rather scary!
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I can provide webspace and a forum if needed. The website would be a subdomain of hoytroid.com, and the address would look something like fixamerica.hoytroid.com.
I cannot use vbulletin for the forum, but rather IPB (the one we use now). If this is acceptable let me know.
I can provide webspace and a forum if needed. The website would be a subdomain of hoytroid.com, and the address would look something like fixamerica.hoytroid.com.
I cannot use vbulletin for the forum, but rather IPB (the one we use now). If this is acceptable let me know.
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In the words of John Edwards: "You can be disappointed, but you cannot walk away. The fight has just begun."
In the words of John Edwards: "You can be disappointed, but you cannot walk away. The fight has just begun."
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If Heggy is willing to let a website piggy back on webspace already owned, we could do that. If we wanted to we could purchase for $15 a year a domain name. So if you typed www.whateverwasdecidedupon.whatever into your browser it would go to whatever.hoytroid.com. The alternative is to purchase web space and along with that comes the domain name. I get mine for about 50$ a year. It is a pretty good package with 300 mb of space and fairly good bandwidth limit.
I'd say great if Heggy's space could handle a website that would potentialy be getting a large number of hits, and if Heggy is willing to host the page in the first place.
If Heggy is willing to let a website piggy back on webspace already owned, we could do that. If we wanted to we could purchase for $15 a year a domain name. So if you typed www.whateverwasdecidedupon.whatever into your browser it would go to whatever.hoytroid.com. The alternative is to purchase web space and along with that comes the domain name. I get mine for about 50$ a year. It is a pretty good package with 300 mb of space and fairly good bandwidth limit.
I'd say great if Heggy's space could handle a website that would potentialy be getting a large number of hits, and if Heggy is willing to host the page in the first place.
BrandonwasWrong
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oh, and I know some about running a web site, and a little about designing. http://urs.vagrantsavior.net is about the limit of my design skills. I do, however, know how to install programs like greymatter into a website. This allows members to simply log in and write updates. All point and click, no html required. (At least on their end.) It makes things much simpler.
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And judging by hoytroid.com, I'd say heggy has a good deal of skill in the way of websites! Looks very nice!
oh, and I know some about running a web site, and a little about designing. http://urs.vagrantsavior.net is about the limit of my design skills. I do, however, know how to install programs like greymatter into a website. This allows members to simply log in and write updates. All point and click, no html required. (At least on their end.) It makes things much simpler.
:EDIT:
And judging by hoytroid.com, I'd say heggy has a good deal of skill in the way of websites! Looks very nice!