Bush Did Not Win the Election?

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Darkwolf

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Bush Did Not Win the Election?

Yep, the dems are being too quiet on an official level. I think they are waiting for a public outcry to challange the election. That seems to have started building over the past few days. I'd give it a week or two. I think they want to have a firestorm still going on when the electoral college meets. (second week of December I believe) Slight change of tactics from last time.
 
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Bush Did Not Win the Election?

Originally posted by JediStryker@Nov 12 2004, 11:39 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/electionresults

There isn't going to be a public outcry. Bush is far ahead in the finalizing tallies, and there's no reason to believe that he won't be when all is said and done on the 13th.
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Thing is, how long is Cheney going to last? Apparently, he gets a little heart attack every time he goes through the intense election season.

Smart money for his replacement is on somebody like Hatch or even Ashcroft. These guys are on the short list for Supreme Court seats also. You think we're having fun now?
 
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Bush Did Not Win the Election?

ELECTION 2004
Ohio recount all but certain
3rd-party candidates raise enough cash to demand another tally of state's votes

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Posted: November 15, 2004
5:00 p.m. Eastern



? 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Two third-party presidential candidates say they've raised enough money to file for an official recount of the vote in Ohio, which President Bush won on Nov. 2 and where some observers claim there were irregularities and fraud in the election.

Green Party candidate David Cobb announced today that the $113,600 needed to file for a recount had been raised, \"with the vast majority in the $10-$50 range,\" said his media director, Blair Bobier. The fund-raising effort began on Thursday.


\"Thanks to the thousands of people who have contributed to this effort, we can say with certainty that there will be a recount in Ohio,\" Cobb said in a statement.

The Green Party has been working with the Libertarian Party ? both parties were on the ballot in Ohio ? in securing a recount. Both Cobb and Libertarian Michael Badnarik say they've demanded that Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican who co-chaired this year's Bush campaign in Ohio, recuse himself from the recount process.

Said Bobier: \"The Ohio presidential election was marred by numerous press and independent reports of mis-marked and discarded ballots, problems with electronic voting machines and the targeted disenfranchisement of African-American voters.\"

The Ohio vote will be certified on Dec. 3 at the latest, Bobier told WND. He says the candidates can file for the recount once the vote is certified.

The Electoral College votes on Dec. 13, so it is unclear whether or not a recount would be completed by then.

\"But,\" commented Jonathan Turley, a professor of constitutional law at George Washington University,\" those votes are not opened by Congress until Jan. 6. So there is still time to challenge the results in Ohio. ?\"

A demand for a recount in Ohio can only be filed by a presidential candidate who was either a certified write-in candidate or on the ballot in that state.

Bush won Ohio by a vote of 2,796,147 to John Kerry's 2,659,664. Despite reports of irregularities and outstanding provisional ballots, Kerry conceded Ohio and the election on Nov. 3.

Badnarik received 14,331 votes in Ohio and Cobb, as a write-in candidate, received 24 votes.




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Looks like the third parties are the ones going to tear this open. Wether it does anything will depend on how much attention it gets.
 
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The average of all polls in Ohio the day before the elction showed Bush ahead by 2.1%. The results of the election in Ohio were 51% Bush to 49% Kerry.

All the latest polls in Ohio only, before the election.

Zogby | 10/29-11/1 Bush +6
FOX News | 10/30-31 Bush +3
SurveyUSA | 10/29-31 Bush +2
CNN/USAT/Gallup | 10/28-31 Kerry +4
Ohio Poll/UofC | 10/27-31 Bush +0.9
Mason-Dixon | 10/27-29 Bush +2
Rasmussen | 10/25-10/31 Bush +4
Clev. Plain Dealer | 10/26-28 Bush +3

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_k...ry_sbys.html#oh

Adding in the fact that the exit polling was wrong in most states, even those states with absolutely NO electronic balloting, is anyone still denying that Bush won in Ohio?

By all means recount them and make sure. But I wonder. When the recount shows Bush still the winner...oh never mind....
 
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Originally posted by Unintentional@Nov 17 2004, 08:56 PM
The average of all polls in Ohio the day before the elction showed Bush ahead by 2.1%. The results of the election in Ohio were 51% Bush to 49% Kerry.

All the latest polls in Ohio only, before the election.

Zogby | 10/29-11/1 Bush +6
FOX News | 10/30-31 Bush +3
SurveyUSA | 10/29-31 Bush +2
CNN/USAT/Gallup | 10/28-31 Kerry +4
Ohio Poll/UofC | 10/27-31 Bush +0.9
Mason-Dixon | 10/27-29 Bush +2
Rasmussen | 10/25-10/31 Bush +4
Clev. Plain Dealer | 10/26-28 Bush +3

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_k...ry_sbys.html#oh

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This is true nationwide as well: the average of numerous polls over the whole period after the debates shows a lead of 1 to 3 points and an obvious trend in "swing States" toward Bush (as reflected above). The press wanted the States to swing, but they didn't swing, they stayed right where they were.
 
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Bush Did Not Win the Election?

Originally posted by Cornelia@Nov 18 2004, 06:22 AM
Did anybody thought that polls are far far easier to fake than elections? :lol:
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Yes, especially exit polling done early in the day. :p
 

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